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Documents reveal CIA recruited five of Eichmann's associates
By: Yossi Melman, on: 06.02.2005 [04:34 ] (3415 reads)
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by cleopatra on 06.02.2005 [05:38 ]
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by hayate on 06.02.2005 [06:45 ]
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http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/2002/05/nara050802.html
Opening of CIA Records under Nazi War
Crimes Disclosure Act
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by agitpapa on 06.02.2005 [08:51 ]
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by agitpapa on 06.02.2005 [09:41 ]
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by agitpapa on 06.02.2005 [09:41 ]
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by Crack_Smoke_Republican on 06.02.2005 [10:13 ]
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DATE=5/29/2000 TYPE=CORRESPONDENT REPORT TITLE=RUSSIA / BERIA (L-O)
Nice to see a minor historical win against communist "christian killing" Jews of the USSR - most of whom have never had a criminal trial. These murderous jews are the same kind of people setting the US attack dog loose on Iraq, Iran and Syria. Neo-nazi/Neo-con/Zionist/Mujihadeen what' the difference? Beria beats them all in the amount of human blood shed.
INTRO: Russia's Supreme Court has firmly rejected a request to pardon Lavrenty Beria, the police chief who oversaw Soviet dictator Josef Stalin's reign of terror. Moscow Correspondent Peter Heinlein reports the idea of clearing Beria's name had infuriated human-rights groups. TEXT: Russia's Supreme Court threw out an appeal by members of the Beria family, who claimed he should be rehabilitated because he had been a victim of repression. The court's judgment said in part that Beria was the organizer of repression against his own people, and therefore could not be considered a victim. Beria, who like Stalin was ethnic Georgian, headed the N-K-V-D, the Soviet secret police agency that later became the K-G-B. During the Stalin era, he oversaw massive purges that claimed millions of lives. Historians estimate that one-million people were killed in 1938 and 1939 alone. But after Stalin's death in 1953, Beria and several associates were arrested and tried on a variety of charges, including espionage and attempting to overthrow the government. He and six associates were executed by firing squad in December of that year. Two-years ago, family members requested that Beria's name be cleared under a 1987 law designed to pardon victims of political repression. Before the Supreme Court's verdict was announced, Liberal Member of Parliament Yuli Rybakov said it was probably true that some of the charges against Beria, including espionage, were made up. But he said that should not detract from the police chief's greater crimes.
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by eidenk on 06.02.2005 [12:05 ]
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and a little bit irrelevant I find.
It's no secret to anyone that the elite of Germany went to work for the US or USSR according to who caught them or to who they choose to surrender to. The most prominent item in this respect being the Operation Paperclip which tranfered to the US as much as possible of the German rocket technology. Werner Von Braun who developped the V1 and V2 later headed NASA as everyone knows.
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by eidenk on 06.02.2005 [12:26 ]
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to the historical analysis section.
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by agitpapa on 06.02.2005 [13:02 ]
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The neonazi thinks this story should be hidden away in the back pages.
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by eidenk on 06.02.2005 [13:07 ]
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Don't stab yourself ;)
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by eidenk on 06.02.2005 [13:09 ]
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by verve on 06.02.2005 [14:28 ]
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very close, but Clitoria works for the garbage stuck between the Mediteranian and Occupied Palestine. You have to feel for her though, show some compassion, her blow-up GI dolly boyfriend, dumped her. In fact, she stalked him so bad, he had to pretend he had been abducted in Iraq.
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by agitpapa on 06.02.2005 [14:36 ]
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by jangikedi on 06.02.2005 [15:05 ]
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by stopwar on 06.02.2005 [17:42 ]
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If US financial interests were secretly backing the Nazis, it would have been very difficult for the sitting President (Roosevelt) to bring in a policy of armed combat against ww2 Germany.
Rather like Clinton trying to bring in a policy to combat global warming (ie Kyoto) against a backdrop of multinationals who wished to see oil production increase.
Roosevelt may have "engineered" Pearl Harbour, but what would have been the consequences of the US govt NOT opposing the Nazis? Presumably the Nazi-supporting US organisations would have increasingly manipulated the US media in favour of the Nazi "cause".
Problem was that Roosevelts successor didn't see the continuing danger, and it looks like the Nazis came back in through the back door...
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by eidenk on 06.02.2005 [18:39 ]
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I'd recommend you read "Trading With The Enemy - An Expose of The Nazi-American Money plot 1933-1949" by Charles Higgham for that side of the coin. The only one agitpapa wants to see.
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by eidenk on 06.02.2005 [18:57 ]
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Hitler has been introduced to German power circles of industrialists by the bearer of an American (and Swiss) passport Ernst Hanfstaengel who did integrally finance Hitler's daily "The Volkishe Beobachter" as well as acting as a.
I wouldn't recommend enough the reading of "Hitler" by John Toland. In it you learn not only the above but also get very surprised (at least I was) to discover things such as Hitler's choice of a doctor. A specialist of veneral disease having mostly as customers Jews from the German entertainment industry. He knew him through Hoffman the photographer of those stars who was his personnal friend. Then there are stories of Jewesses cooking meals at the Berghof for those of his inner circle who were not vegetarian like him. His personal meals were cooked in Berchtesgaden clinic by Dr Zabel, another jewish name.
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by eidenk on 06.02.2005 [19:03 ]
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...as well as acting as an unpaid spin doctor for the first years of the existance of the Nazi party. He definitively left Germany for the US a few years before the war begun but after the burning of the Reichstag (blamed on a communist). He was the first to phone the Nazi dignataries to announce them the fire as he was not celebrating with them the victory in the elections, claiming to be sick in his home opposite the burning building.
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by agitpapa on 06.02.2005 [19:08 ]
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by agitpapa on 06.02.2005 [19:17 ]
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John Foster Dulles became secretary of State, Allen Dulles became director of the CIA, and Averell Harriman became Secretary of Commerce. Rockefeller became Vice-President and ran for president. Not exactly "back door".
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by stopwar on 06.02.2005 [19:22 ]
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I can tell by your tone that you have known this for years. To me, and probably most on this forum, this is news. Most known that George Bush snr's grandfather was involved in bankrolling the Nazis, but many would say that they were just entreprenours, and would take anyone's money.
What is being said here is by William Dodd is altogether more sinister. How did they manage to distance themselves at Nuremberg, I wonder?
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by stopwar on 06.02.2005 [19:25 ]
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who was this person to which you refer in your last message? The one who called "fire" at the Reichstag?
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by eidenk on 06.02.2005 [19:30 ]
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as you've read. Enjoy.
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by stopwar on 06.02.2005 [19:35 ]
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according to your post, he is a Swiss/American financier. Why would such a person not come under susapicion of being involved himself?
I'm getting shades of Donnie Darko burning the paedofile's mansion here, and he didn't get caught... but you see what I mean?
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by agitpapa on 06.02.2005 [19:49 ]
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The reason I keep writing about "US nazis" in Iraq isn't hyperbole or rhetoric. It's a plain historical fact. Nuremberg was a show trial and people like Goering who could have given very embarassing testimonies were killed before they could testify. The IG Farben trial that could have revealed all the conections with Wall Street (and Prescott Bush, among others) was a total cover-up. The US military governor Gen. Lucius Clay was pro-Nazi, Allen Dulles was scurrying around all over Europe bribing and threatening Allied oficials, eliminating evidence, organizing KLM flights of Nazis to South America, and carting off Nazi gold. It was just like Iraq.
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by stopwar on 06.02.2005 [19:53 ]
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wasn't he implicated in the Kennedy assassination - at least according to the interpretation of Oliver Stone?
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by eidenk on 06.02.2005 [20:00 ]
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that Hanstaengel met Hitler for the first time on a mission for the American military. It's all in John Toland anyway. Very good read. A much lauded classic.
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by agitpapa on 06.02.2005 [20:17 ]
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I've got nothing on Lucius Clay but the JFK job had Allen Dulles written all over it. JFK had just fired Dulles for the Bay of Pigs fiasco. JFK was also totally pro-Israel, which made the Rockefellers and their agents very nervous. The civil rights movement was the last straw, not because of the blacks (nothing much changed for them to this day) but because of the Jews who were piggy-backing the blacks to end anti-semitic discrimination in the US - and they sure as hell succeeded. Remember most of the white civil rights marchers in Alabama were Jews and all the financing for civil rights and MLK came from Jews. It was a nightmare for the WASP capitalists who had been trying to keep the Jews out of big business and politics for decades. The hit job was carried out by a CIA team comprising mostly the same thugs as the Watergate break-in. It was a last desperate attempt by US Nazis to hold off Jewish power in the US.
Today, we see that both sides have come to an agreement so that we have a descendant of Ukrainian nazis (Kathy Yushchenko) who is coaching an alcoholic CIA stooge (Yushchenko), whose campaign is financed by Zionist oligarchs and backed by US ziocons, and whose grass roots support comes from the UNO-UNSO nazis.
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by eidenk on 06.02.2005 [20:29 ]
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that the main subject of the book, not Hitler, the other one is the Trading With The Ennemy Act of 1941 with which Roosevelt allows scores of US companies to have all sorts of trades with Nazi Germany ranging from oil supplies to ball bearings and telecomunications.
But what is not in this book is the 1941 the Lend-Lease agreement between the US and the USSR signed in Moscow before Pearl Habour and the massive artic convoys that follow supplying the USSR with an astronomical quantity of various goods for their war effort and that's the part agitpapa fails to see and incorporate in his analysis.
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by stopwar on 06.02.2005 [20:43 ]
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fought an election at the end of 1940. At this time, Germany had conquered Holland, Belgium, France and most of Sacandinavia!
Roosevelt wanted to assist Churchill but he had to win that election and get the USAns on his side re Europe. No doubt, the "Trading With The Enemy Act" of 1941 was his deal with the non-Nazi part of US corporatism. Pearl Harbour was for the people. Yes, it may look bad, but in retrospect it makes good sense - courageous decisions which both had quite an element of risk.
I don't think Agitpapa is having a go at Roosevelt here - it is clear that he did more than most to keep fscism in check. Problem is that Truman could probably (I'm speculating here) have used Roosevelts position to get checkmate, but let them off the hook.
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by agitpapa on 06.02.2005 [20:47 ]
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The arctic convoys were a way of wearing the Nazis down just enough so that when they were done with the USSR, they could be easily pushed back into their western borders. The Rockefellers had no special love for the German people so it was just a case of who could screw who, as it always is with nazis. The ultimate Rockefeller goal was - and still is - a global empire. Whether it's based in New York or Berlin or Tokyo is immaterial. That's why David Rockefeller founded the Trilateral Commission.
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by agitpapa on 06.02.2005 [20:48 ]
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checkmate against whom?
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by agitpapa on 06.02.2005 [20:53 ]
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Anyway a lot of the stuff the US sent was crap. The trucks were OK (the same Ford trucks that the Wehrmacht was driving around in) but the Soviets used the Sherman tanks for target practice. Remember the Soviets had to fight a real war, not the crapped-out underequipped units fulll of old men and POW's of the western front.
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by eidenk on 06.02.2005 [21:02 ]
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The "Trading With The Enemy Act" of 1941 is the tool with which all those agitpapa speaks about are dealing with Germany. Rockfeller's Standard Oil and Chase manhattan Bank, General motors and many others such as Texaco and ITT for example.
Read the book. It is marvellously documented and quite easy to find in second hand provided you live in a big enough town as I am not sure it is still in print.
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by eidenk on 06.02.2005 [21:08 ]
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were full of canned food as well and clothes plus railway equipment and half a million willises jeeps.
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by eidenk on 06.02.2005 [21:16 ]
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I know there is the Trilateral Commission. There is the Bilderbeger Group as well which is sort of a Trilateral commision without the Japanese and less americans. There is the exclusively anglo-saxon RIIA as well.
Curious that you are giving in such far out conspiracies. LOL LOL
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by stopwar on 06.02.2005 [21:25 ]
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The Nazis. As I said, I was speculating. I'm sure you are aware of Operation Paperclip, which allowed "valuable" Nazis to be taken across Europe on a train convoy and then shipped out to South America, or in some cases direct to the US.
Truman allowed that to happen, which of course made sure the Nazi movement didn't die at Nuremberg. Of course Truman was bad almost beyond redemption through giving the order to drop atom bombss on innocent civilians at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I wonder if Operation Paperclip had aything to do with that - or even if it was in the same timeline.
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by eidenk on 06.02.2005 [21:27 ]
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Harry Dexter White, one of the founding fathers of the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank and Secretary of Treasure of Roosevelt during the whole war is a jew.
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by stopwar on 06.02.2005 [21:48 ]
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I'm sure there are good Jews and bad Jews, just as there are good Christians and bad Christians. Many UK Jews were against the Iraq war. Shouldn't hold his religion against him.
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by agitpapa on 06.02.2005 [22:09 ]
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Truman started the Cold War based on fake reports about Soviet intentions by Reinhardt Gehlen to General Lucius Clay, to which Rockefeller's State Department plants in the US embassy in Moscow added their touch of Harvard class. I'm referring to Rockefeller flunky George Kennan's famous "Telegraphic Message from Moscow" published in Foreign Affairs, the publication of Rockefeller's Council of Foreign Relations.
Rockefeller's CFR had provided the bulk of the staff of FDR's post-Pearl Harbor-State Department. That's why the Secretary of State Stimson was so often at loggerheads with Treasury Secretary Morgenthau about the Jews & the Nazis: Stimson hated Jews.
After the Soviet victory FDR drew up a peaceful coexistence agreement with Stalin at Yalta. This was not good enough for Rockefeller. FDR suddenly died just before Potsdam and Truman strutted in to tell Molotov that the deal was off, the US expected to "get 85% in all important matters," and that he'd just set off an A-bomb at Alamogordo to help the Russkies think better.
Then he bombed Hiroshima & Nagasaki to make sure they got the message.
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by eidenk on 06.02.2005 [22:17 ]
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was a jew with which I shared the same house for some month with other specimens like us, mushroom trippers and would be gods or shamans. He had a column in The Independent some years back and was somehow a legend in the London underground techno scene for the parties he organised. He died early this year in a motorbike accident in Anjuna Beach, Goa, India. A great loss even though I hadn't seen him for years. I miss him a lot.
One thing I am sure about him is that he was not into Judaism.
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by stopwar on 06.02.2005 [22:33 ]
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but it sounded like he lived a little. Wasn't mentally restricted by the belief system that a religious upbringing can engender.
But even taking the belief system, Zionists are usually NOT jews, in the orthodox sense.
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by stopwar on 06.02.2005 [22:41 ]
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the postwar world could have been so much more optimistic if Truman had followed in Roosevelt's footsteps. Apparently, instead, Truman's supporters and the opposition unkindly called Roosevelt "the red in White House". A bit ungrateful, after he had brought in the "Trading With The Enemy Act" in 1941 that had probably lined all their pockets.
Truman was also apparently involved in some other dodgy stuff involving the setting up of an organisation called Majestic. I know this is associated with UFOs (media sidetracking?), but it could have easily applied to other "dark ops". If he was prepared to drop atom bombs on citizens, what else was he capable of?
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by agitpapa on 06.02.2005 [23:03 ]
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Truman's big scam was actually much more out in the open: It's what Eisenhower called the military-industrial complex. Reinhardt Gehlen's bogus reports became the pretext for increasing military spending 300% just after the end of the war.
The National Security Council was formed and started taking secret decsisons without consulting or reporting to and elected body. The NSC essentially declared war on the Soviet Union in 1947, although this was a covert war, since there was still that annoying detail in the constitution that said only Congress could declare war. So the door was opened for trillions of federal dollars to flow into corporate coffers and hundreds of US bases to ring the world. The CIA was set up to get rid of any "nationalist" troublemakers or communists who opposed the US's imperial expansion.
So that's why Gore Vidal says that US democracy ended with Truman and was replaced by the National Security State. But of course Vidal is nostalgic for something that never existed inthe first place.
It gets really interesting after that because of nuclear weapons and the role that Jews played in US nuke research and strategy. The Nazis were hopeless at nuke technology - which they called "Jewish science" - so US imperialism was dependent on Jewish physicists for its main terror weapons. Nazi rocket scientists and chemwar doctors were easily outclassed by the Oppenheimers, Fermis, and Edward Tellers. Soon, nuclear strategy became as important as the weaponry itself. The greatest US nuclear strategist of them all was a mathematician called Albert Wohlstetter. He was so respected by the military-industrial complex that anyone he recommended immediately got a post in Washington. He was the guy who "recommended" Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Ahmed Chalabi, Zalmay Khalilzad, and Don Rumsfeld. Perle married his daughter and all of them except Rummy were his students at Rockefeller's Chicago University. Wohlstetter was also the guy who told Wolfowitz, when he was Cheney's number2 in 1991, to start a war against Saddam.
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by stopwar on 06.02.2005 [23:17 ]
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I remember the first (and best) of the three TV programmes "The Power of Nightmares" introduced many UK citizens to this guy Wohlstetter, but of course the BBC never revealed his pedigree!
I don't think you are completely right about the Nazi scientists - timeline doesn't seem quite right (e.g. Manhatten Project would have started 18 months before Operation Paperclip, so Nazi scientists couldn't have had much input anyway). Also, Von Braun was the best in his field. Lots of technology was apparently covertly released through Bell labs (eg the transistor) and Nazi scientists could well have been involved.
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by eidenk on 06.02.2005 [23:31 ]
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I cannot manage to see the root of evil elsewhere than in the core concepts of Judaism.
I understand and entirely respect zionism as the desire of the jews to have a nation of their own like other people on earth but this is now done since some time so that all those obviously jewish moves cannot be called in my view zionists. What I believe now is that they should learn to respect others and ditch the most insane of their belief system I believe. Israel has an alarmingly high suicide rate of youngsters. Who kills them ? Palestinian ? Nazis ? No the insanity of Judaism that considers arabs as subhuman pests for example and treats them accordingly according to me.
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by agitpapa on 06.02.2005 [23:35 ]
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This is what I mean: All the Nazis could do was design the delivery system, i.e. the missiles. And even there, the Soviets were ahead. Putting Sputnik into orbit wasn't about driving the Yanks nuts with the beeping of the satellite. It was about being the first to make an ICBM. That's why it was such a big deal that Iran was about to launch its own satellite. If you can put something in orbit you can deliver a nuke payload anywhere on earth.
The actual nukes and the strategy were way out of the Nazis' league. In fact the US & UK knew that there was no danger of Hitler making nukes already in September 1941 when the head of the Nazi nuke project Werner Heisenberg showed his former - Jewish - professor Niels Bohr his plans for a nuclear reactor at a secret meeting in Copenhagen. Bohr reported back that the Nazis didn't have a clue, but the Los Alamos rproject continued at full speed anyway. And it wasn't at all about Japan because Japan was taken care of by fire-bombing its cities and millions of its civilians into black sludge and cinders. The Soviets did the rest by sweeping up 30 Japanese divisions in a week while the US had taken years to clobber just 10 or so.
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by eidenk on 06.02.2005 [23:42 ]
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we'll soon reach the pink building of Montauk from where the legend says an other-dimentional beast has been accidentally unleashed in our world when a careless experiments into manipulating time turned wrong. Lots of Nazi connection to this story as well.
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by agitpapa on 06.02.2005 [23:53 ]
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Quantum physics, relativity, all that stuff they called "Jewish science." Nazis can't understand anything you can't screw or nail down.
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by stopwar on 07.02.2005 [00:00 ]
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let's stick to the facts.
I think it highly unlikely that Heisenberg (presumably of uncertainty principle fame) would have been a Nazi scientist. Those actually working on it would be doing it secret, as there was a war going on! Hate to debunk the theory, but show me the evidence, and then I'll take it seriously.
Not all German scientists wanted to have anything to do with the Nazis. Einstein is a case in point, but there are others. What do you know, for example, of the experiments of Wilheim Reich?
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