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Thinking Beyond the Comfort Zone: Failures of the Iraqi Resistance
By: Rahul Mahajan, Empire Notes (blog) on: 20.12.2004 [16:25 ] (3631 reads)
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by :-( Guest on 20.12.2004 [19:05 ]
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It's not worth a cent to post this rubish article here
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by Classico Guest on 20.12.2004 [19:16 ]
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The writer is trying to play an insighted intellectual analyst.!!!
Its far from reality. sounds like DoD promoted propaganda. Who cares about political agendas. Just look at what Stalin did during the War, he forgot about communism and the Fatherland was the most important thing, he rallied every man and woman behind him. Politics comes later when the bastards are out of Iraq.!!!!
Apparaently the author is not sincere or very naive western educated oxymoron.
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by Is There Yet Hope? Guest on 20.12.2004 [19:16 ]
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So any jew with access to the internet can write a piece of propaganda, and this site will think it worth discussing??? jeez- what a cheap and easy way for them to wage a war!
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In order for resistance to the occupation to have any chance, it must first renounce sectarian violence and pointless terrorism like kidnapping and killing random foreigners
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Hey it is the "WHEN DID YOU STOP BEATING YOUR WIFE" technique, one of the oldest and crudest of all propaganda methods. You denigrate your enemy by saying that if only they stopped doing all kinds of things that actually YOU do, you would respect them. Remember the IR reports saying that jewish psyops teams in Fallujah told the resistance that they should act with chivalry, and allow truces for the collecting of the wounded. This from the US army that started the assault with the jewish taught method of first eliminating the hospitals, ambulances, and medical staff!
Can we please build a list of minor and worthless Black-Propaganda sites, and just ignore them. I agree that ocassionally considering comment from major propaganda sites CAN be worthwhile, to examine the current method of lies, to compare with the IR reports, and to examine which way the political wind is blowing with Bush/Blair.
However, sites like the one from the article should be treated like the dirt under our fingernails.
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by tarzan3 Guest on 20.12.2004 [19:20 ]
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indeed if the latest news from Falleja is correct its basic premise that the usa 'won' the battle is entirely misplaced and as such his article amounts to nothing what so ever.
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by Guest on 20.12.2004 [19:21 ]
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you are living in a delusional world blinded perhaps by your own education which have moulded your belief system. Obviously you are someone who might have some tertiary training in political science., But the problem with people like you, and i have come across many, is that your thinking mode is corrupted by the colonizers' model of the world ... although you do not belong to the colonizing class.
Your use of the "natives" to describe the Iraqi people is an insult. This word is a derogatory term by western imperialists to lump indigenous peoples. Not too long ago the British labeled your people are 'natives' too, Mr. Mahajan.
I can understand your preference for bloodless victories, maybe inspired by Ghandi's struggle of independence from the British. But you have completely failed to understand that your heros - the Americans - believe that 'political power grows out of the barrel of the gun'.
What struck reading your article is that you are actually giving approval to the tragic state of affairs in Iraq and whole-heartedly support the circus that the criminal aggressors have concocted to further their control.
Remember, 'sire' (sounds familiar, eh?), politics is war without bloodshed whilst war is politics with bloodshed.
Every movement is born not without imperfections. It's refined through many processes and defined by the just nature of its cause and struggle. Do not underestimate the ability of a weak opponent to defeat a strong one. Can the Vietnamese achieve liberation by laying down their arms?? Will India win the hearts and minds of Pakistanis by abandoning all her nuclear weapons and getting rid of her armed forces? Just wave banners of peace to her Pakistani enemies and all will be resolved? You got to ask yourself, will waving banners alone can bring victory to the Iraqi nation?
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by Truth Seeker Guest on 20.12.2004 [19:29 ]
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{So any jew with access to the internet can write a piece of propaganda, and this site will think it worth discussing??? jeez- what a cheap and easy way for them to wage a war!}
You too you can do the same if you want, so help yourself and write something constructive instead of constantly spreading the stupid and counterproductive "antisemitism" of yours.
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by Guest on 20.12.2004 [19:36 ]
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It is hard to see how the Iraqi Resistance is a failure when the US has spent more that $261 BILLION and more than 50,000 US troops dead, wounded and sick in Iraq after a mere 20 months in a self-defeating exercise.
The US hasn't been able to control a single province in Iraq, even the 5 mile road from the Baghdad airport to the Green Zone Prison is off limits.
The fact that the US puppets are limited to their Green Zone Prison, no privatization has occured and oil sales has been limited is proof enough of the US failure.
Terrifying the foreign collabarators with the threat of death is working just fine as this has forced them to flee Iraq.
The Iraqi Resistance has made remarkable progress forcing the US to stage a phony scam election as the last facing exercise before they are forced to retreat.
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by Guest on 20.12.2004 [19:46 ]
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I go to the comments before I read an article if it looks dubious. Luckily I did not have to read it.
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by Guest on 20.12.2004 [19:57 ]
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by verve Guest on 20.12.2004 [20:08 ]
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delusional fool. He'd make great fodder. Better still, blog from the front lines. Come on, the article was good for a laugh, no?
And what's with these people that keep calling Iraq third world? The Iraqis just can't kill enough of the dumb fucks fast enough for me, arrogant bastards.
viva la resistance
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by Iranian Shi'ite Guest on 20.12.2004 [20:20 ]
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The article lies. Here is the truth:
The Iraqi resistance does have a constitution - and had one before the puppet government.
The Sunnis Ulema have condemned that attacks against Shia Mosques.
The beheadings and the bombings are very likely carried out by CIA / Mossad.
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by Guest on 20.12.2004 [20:26 ]
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you better join the laughter. One lesson Saddam was kind enough to teach his subjects.
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by Guest on 20.12.2004 [21:10 ]
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I am a strong supporter of the resistance , but I'm also glad someone dares to adress their problems.
I didn't read the above article, I only read the first lines and I can't tell if the commentator is honest or a zionist manipulator (honestly I think he is honest because I don't think the manipulators would go so far as to spread their stuff out of the mainstream media)
I strongly disagree with the author above when he talks about 'failure' of the resistance.The resistance, being by nature 'loosely' organised, adaptative and opportunistic , it cannot really experience a failure.Only an organised operation, such as the occupation can become a 'failure'...
but they do have a major problem IMO, it is that they don't have any political agenda to promote if/when they win.
Well I'm not even sure it is a problem, it might well be an advantage,because if they don't disclose their political agaenda, the USan CIA plotters cannot attack the particular group that would happen to promote and support the resistance.
But I am worried because after reading some interviews of some resistant leadership I thought to understand they had nothing to propose except a take over by the remnants of the baathist regime after the USans have been ousted.
Would that be a good thing ? I am not sure.
The USan have removed all the cadres and rulers of the baathist party, and although I am against elections in an occupied Iraq, I think the population should be consulted. The situation has been changed (by force!) so much that I don't think things could go back the old way.
Eventually the resistance leaders would have to come upfront with a valid political agenda that takes account of the real present situation and takes note of the people will.
They should not divulge themselves too soon, as I said : as long as they stay informal, it is more difficult for the evil ones to target them or their supporters. But they have to propose somethng NEW (to deal with a new Iraq) sooner or later.
It's not that I am against saddam but I doubt he will be freed or left alive for long, and even if he was not as horrible as depicted by the zionist media he was indeed a dictator and IMO he has too many oponents in the country.
Anyway long live the resistance!
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by Guest on 20.12.2004 [21:12 ]
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Sitting comfortably in his Ivory Tower and pontificating about the Iraqi Resistance.
Limosine Liberals like this idiot are worthless.
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by Guest on 20.12.2004 [21:15 ]
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Well after reading the article in question I think the author is very insultant, probably a racist. A manipulator indeed.
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by Guest on 20.12.2004 [21:18 ]
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the "correction to previous post" was concerning the post titled
"well he has some points"
sorry I didn't read gthe article and I didn't realize the guy was in fact AGAINST the resistance...
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by SepBaiter Guest on 20.12.2004 [22:20 ]
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Whenever I see video footage of the third world the one thing that jumps out at me is how happy the people look. They smile and laugh and appear to have a love for life. This may be because they are living their lives for themselves and not for someone elses bank balance.
In the first world it appears to be a rare thing to even know your neighbours (beyond a perfunctory hello when you bump into each othe rin the street and even then that's not a given).
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by Guest on 20.12.2004 [23:36 ]
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I think this article is very good.
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by why? Guest on 21.12.2004 [00:17 ]
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why does it sound so Zionist?
why why why???????????????????????????????????????
more brainwash crap...
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by Silence Guest on 21.12.2004 [00:27 ]
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they are begging for this election badly why because zionist knowns it is gonan be rigged i wonder if a shiite has sold his soul to usa zionist?
if so and the vote happens a silence of butchering will go on and on upon Iraq also all Iraq can be charged with terrorist those who Resist
and all will if this voting takes place if a shiite sold his soul to usa satan zionist i am betting one has then people will trust them and once zionist has moved in good in secretcy then a new palstine people meaning Iraq will be born into the butchering blood bathes
this is what usa zionist wants now is a shiite to work with them sell there soul for power in order to gain the Iraq peoples trust and if they fall for it do not forget i warned you because i know how they work
they tricked saddam into it if a shiite sould out the inter gov will be killed this si getting nasty
lets hope a shiite didnt sell out his soul if one wins then he has
bush did not win by people voting there are facts that got swept under carpet the proof of how he did it with changing cards into the voting manchine the cards hold diff codes so he got rid of the first votes it showed kerry ahead in a downfall way ahead then the second tapes showed bush won and kerry way behind what bs seems the zionist makes all the proof fade sick of it all kill the zionist and there lovers=usa britts world orders bastards
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by Syrian Guest on 21.12.2004 [01:35 ]
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Very neatly, I wont continue to comment on this collection of filthy lies. Instead I will cover the so called "anti-war left".
It's amazing how some of you in the "anti-war left", never give the resistance enough credit. You really think they are incapable of thinking things through? Believe me, one of them is a lot better at thinking strategically and long-term wise than a bunch of people waving placards around. You want the Iraqis to wave placards around? Well they have already done that for a month in April 2003. No one listened. Instead of being stupid like yourselves, they moved to the next stage.
You're still waving those placards around? Or have things crumbled due to your inaction to the point where you can NO LONGER wave those placards around?
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by Spies and Traitors will be Shot. Guest on 21.12.2004 [02:07 ]
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First and foremost. The article should be renamed "defaming the resistance with lies 101" .
Secondly you have to seperate the anti-war movement in countries because they are not all the same. I think you will find there are many more supporters of the resistance outside the US. Now if we are talking about the US. Some, but a small amount, of "anti-war" left, are anti this war but are not pacifists. This doesn't neccesaraly mean they support the resistance, many of them have swollowed up all the lies about the resistance. Now the anti-war democrats are the most guilty of this, maintaining the name "insurgents" and propelling the lies of the enemy further. Infact, many of these didn't belive the message from the resistance (comunique 6) because it was not similar to the (fake) beheading videos. Take "www.bushflash.com" for instance. This person is so closed in their own political war with the republicans, that they think can't think outside of it. His explanation of the video was that a pro-war republican made it inorder to link the anti-war with the "insurgents". As if the pro-war people hate the anti-war sooo much more than they hate the resistance, that they would portray the resistance as hero's inorder to defame the anti-war. What's the word i'm looking for, selfabsorbed? blinded by their own reflection? something along those lines.
This spits in the face of the Resistance message. Which was only asking for understanding and support. Instead they got asseholes giving them exactly the opposite. Anyway, i have faith that in the end the truth will shine through no matter what.
The war continues....
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by Guest on 21.12.2004 [02:17 ]
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Many of the Mainstream "antiwar" groups in the USA are not really antiwar.
They are anti-Bush. (i.e. Democrats or Liberals). These same "anti-war" people supported John Kerry and Edwards (who were both Pro-War).
How can they reconcile this contradiction? They can't.
These groups CANNOT BE TRUSTED. They are essentially Political Opportunists who want to manipulate the antiwar issue to attack Bush. If a Democrat were to be in power, however, these same groups will drop their "antiwar" politics faster than you can say "Fallujagrad"
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by Dom on 21.12.2004 [02:20 ]
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There has to be a political dimension. Iranian Shi'ite agrees and claims the resistance has a constitution. So why have we not heard about it until now?
It would be instructive to see that constitution of the resistance. But a constitution is not everything. In fact it is very little. The resistance has no message, no policy. It has no place in military strategy. It exists only in the tactical sphere.
This article has been a good test. It has shown the weakness of this site and its posters. The site accepted it but put it in the news section, although it is clearly not news, but analysis. It is an "article". In the news section it will scroll off the page too fast for a good discussion to arise. The site knows that.
The posters, almost without exception pounced on it in a rage. Almost nobody even acknowledges the matter the writer Rahul Mahajan (a Hindu name, by the way) raises, which is the political dimension of the resistance.
Very few people here seem capable of discussing this political dimension. Probably they would pay lip service to the Clausewitz principle that war is no more or less than an extension of politics. But when it comes to the fact of war they get over-excited and want to forget the politics or even denounce all politics, as above.
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by Syrian Guest on 21.12.2004 [02:41 ]
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How can someone claim to discuss politics while they have a bunch of lies continously being sprotted from their mouthes.
I think Dom, the person at fault for posting this article under news is you. Your name is trusted on this website, and the article will be posted without much consideration. If anything you have abused your trust.
As for the constitution, Iraq always had a constitution. This will be returned, along with their soverignty. Remember, you might not like this due to your political bearings, but it's not your country and you're not fighting there. It's upto them to decide what they want, I only hope they make the correct and wise decision. Iraq must go forward not backwards, and must not forgive the world for what it has done to it.
If "Rahul", raised any good points it was probably by accident because he's too busy with his finger in his ear trying to locate his brain. Every sentance he utters is either laced with a lie or is followed up by one.
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by Dom on 21.12.2004 [03:01 ]
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I don't want you to trust me without reading what I write, thank you very much.
It is no good to talk about trust and in the same breath say that what happens in Iraq is none of my business. We are making it our business here to study Iraq. Don't tell me there has to be a veil over the politics of the resistance. Are you crazy?
Likewise, there has to be organised solidarity, not just sound and fury on the Internet, signifying nothing. Mahajan is a major organiser and publicist in the USA. There are very few of them, far too few in fact. You had better not discard them lightly. Rather listen to what they say, and try to make dialogue.
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by Syrian Guest on 21.12.2004 [03:20 ]
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When I said this I mean trust of having an account on this website and posting articles under the correct sentance.
"It is no good to talk about trust and in the same breath say that what happens in Iraq is none of my business. We are making it our business here to study Iraq."
Wrong. It's none of your buisness nor mine what the resistance decides to do, but you are free to discuss what you want them to do.
Sorry but all these "Mahajan" kind of people were described by me in my 02:35 post. Take heed in my word, for in my few years on this hell hole that we call "Earth" I have seen many wars and failed organisations, along with the gullible types who follow them.
The fact is that you and all these left-wing types all underestimate the intellegence of the resistance. You underestimate their will to be involved in making changes to their society be it through politics or other ways. You seem to think you are wiser than them, and you want to dictate to them what course of action you deem to be the best.
Infact, as STWBS said, your own people have been denying an organising statement made by the resistance in their video. They obviously have their own political stance and it differs from placard holding idiots like that bushflash guy, or this Ruhal guy. EVEN you said, why don't we listen to the resistance and the message of organising a worldwide movement?
Instead of doing this, you start posting crap from some guy who thinks he knows everything and can declare victories and defeats. The wise are those who are not quick to jump to a concluding statement when it comes to these conflicts.
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by Syrian Guest on 21.12.2004 [03:32 ]
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I meant section.
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by Spies and Traitors will be Shot. Guest on 21.12.2004 [03:47 ]
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" The resistance has no message, no policy."
The message is clear and simple, iraq wishes to be free from occupation an foreign controll.
Their cause is pure. It doesn't need to be swayed by political alignement. It's not comunists, nor is it fascists. It is a uniting of the people, to do what is just and right.
And that's a great thing. A GREAT thing.
The people will be free to decide their future later.
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by Layth Guest on 21.12.2004 [04:25 ]
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The author of this article is very 'colonial' in his thinking..
He is dreaming of how the British told the Indian subcontinent they should behave...Form political parties, show you are capable, then we will slowly give you back your country.
Here is my responce to Mahajan and his ilk:
“And fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress, God does not like the aggressors. And kill them wherever you find them, and expel them from where they expelled you, and know that persecution is worse than being killed. And do not fight them at the restricted Temple unless they fight you in it; if they fight you then kill them, thus is the reward of the disbelievers.” (Quran 2:190-191)
The fight will go on until the scum invaders are all driven out or dead...THEN Iraqis will decide how they want to live their lives and what agenda they will follow.
p.s. on the issue of 'Islamic Republic of Falluja', Mahajan overlooked to mention that ALL of Iraq's revenues were and still are in the hands of the invaders who laid economic and even military siege to Falluja since April...Are the resistance expected to perform miracles inside a seiged town and raise buildings from thin air!
May God give victory to the IFF.
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by Dom on 21.12.2004 [04:38 ]
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When it is all over, Rahul Mahajan and those like him who have organised people in solidarity, and who have taken the trouble, risk, and expense of actually going to Iraq, they will get medals from the Iraqi people.
Read what "Spies and Traitors will be Shot" has written at 04:47, on the other hand, and try to tell me it is not fascist.
Force without any politics is fascism. Is that what you want? The "triumph of the will"? Pure, exultant, power? That is crazy stuff, my friends.
The resistance must form its politics, and the solidarity movement must form its politics. The more dialogue there is between the two, the better. Neither will or can rule the other.
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by Mad Max Guest on 21.12.2004 [05:05 ]
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This article is pure trash!
Iraqis don't want another occupied Palestine, nor jewait, judea arabia, etc.. puppets run & paid for by the us/zionists scums. They want freedom from foreign influence & theft. Once Iraq is liberated, Palestine must also be liberated, and if necessary right through all the puppet leaders installed by the us/zionists scums. The us/zionists defeat must be total. The un and other world leaders must pay for their crimes in Iraq, justice must prevail!
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by Dom on 21.12.2004 [06:30 ]
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Good name for you.
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by Spies and Traitors will be Shot. Guest on 21.12.2004 [06:55 ]
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I'm the fascist? I'm not the one supporting the nazi imperialist pigs and their ridiculous election.
Look i'm definetly a leftist even though i don't like to necceseraly label myself. But i can see the pitfalls. I'm not going to betray my country to further my political goals.
All i am saying is that iraqies are united to repell the invaders, whatever their political allignment.
All i am saying, is that the resistance may have their individual politics, but united they sole agenda is to free their country so that the WILL of the iraqi people will come to pass. So that iraqies can actually have discusion such as, should we have a communist system.
You can rest assured, that traditionally arabs are fond of socialism. So in the end when iraq is liberated by the resistance, and the people themselves without the interference of the US capitalist pigs, choose their fate. Whatever it may be, is there free choice. Let us hope they choose wisely. My prediction knowing my own people, they will choose something left orientated, and definetly 100% Anti-US and Ant-Zionist.
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by The resistance Guest on 21.12.2004 [08:01 ]
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Once we not only have chicken coop. We have everything. You the USAN create this by taking everything. My friend, mother, father, son, brother sister were all gone. What are we. You created us. Everyday now you created us. Thus to end this stop the war...stop the war. Thus you reduce the resistance. his will over flow within your self also USAN. Dont you realise that you youself is creating this within your on kind.
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by Dom on 21.12.2004 [08:18 ]
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No offence intended, but I still say you cannot have a struggle without a political arm, or it becomes fascist.
In this concrete circumstance, there is a bourgeois nationalist component of the armed resistance (I'm referring to the Ba'ath "socialist" party) which has a long and disgusting record of collaboration with imperialism.
What is the deal offered by these people? What is the deal proposed by the religious sects in the armed struggle?
Coming to you and I, as supporters of international solidarity for peace and against imperialism, why do we do it? Are we in favour of any old kind of raging "Mad Max"-style uprising? How can we rally support for such a position? No, solidarity must be based on principles of self-determination, national sovereignty, and the right of all to do the politics of their choice without fear.
Handing the country back to the Ba'ath without restraint doesn't do it for me. I'm sorry, but I want to see how the working class and its organisations are going to be protected. If I am satisfied, I can go out and campaign in my national labour movement for support. If not, not.
This political question is dynamic, not static. It has to have a content that is more than sentimental, and more than wishful thinking.
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by Bandikoot Guest on 21.12.2004 [09:18 ]
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What is a constitution,a bill of rights,?Israel, that "only democracy" hasnt even got a constitution yet and only two of the coalition of the willing had a Bill of Rights.
The model of the French resistence fits a little with the Iraqi resistance. Both invaded by vastly superior numbers and firepower,the official army rapidly gives way and the occupiers try too validate their authority by using proxy power-the Vichy and Allawi/Chalabi/Sistani ,soon to be Diebold voted in. Did the french resistence have a consitituion? Their aim was to liberate their country.They were not loved by all as some French were Nazi sympathisers,just as some Iraqis prefer occupation to Saddam.Also an elaborate propaganda spin ,just like the Nazis is trying to convince the world and nonNazis who are the good guys. history sure seems to repeat.
Afghanistan resistance to USSR did have a National Assembly formed in 1980 headed by Mohamed Omar Babrakzai,and 916 delegates attended and set out an ordered plan to resist.But it is recorded that ISIS felt threatened as the ProPaksitan group s were in minority and were concerned about the issue of "Pushtunistan" coming to the agenda.ISIS was tasked with breaking it up.If that had not happened,much of today would be different,perhaps the country would have been free to pupate into a real country,not just an oil pipeline terminal and poppy grower.
The National Assembly model would, I think, work better in Iraq than party elections at this point as long as foreign interference,and traitors,are kept out-hard to do-note both the US and Ukraine elections, each a clear example or each failing.
So what happened in Vietnam when the US pulled out? "Traitors" were shot or imprisoned(tortured?like already in Abughraib?) and the initial consolidation of power and defence were probably hard times,but now seem more liberal.I dont know and I have no reliable western writings to go by. What is worse? permanet occupation and living under the colonial yoke,a yoke which has no respect for liberty nor justice nor basic human rights,yet is supreme in Propaganda.
If the US citoyen disagrees with that,then visit there or Palestine yourself,or read the Congress reports or the recent Anglican church report of Palestine and the Prsbyterian church divesting of Israeli investments due to the occupation there.Nazi tactics do not survive in the light.
Who said "give me liberty or give me death"? many in iraq are saying it now.What ever DOM would like to believe,US occupation is neither just nor gentle.
Liberty and Justice is a simple constition that will do for now .
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by Guest on 21.12.2004 [09:37 ]
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When you have a natural desaster in the underdeveloped world each of the big players will fall over their feet to send assistance, money, personnel and in this case of barbarian invasion you as an advocate of solidarity want to put yourself on a high horse and withhold help because of what - political principles? Politics knows no principles, my friend.
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by Syrian Guest on 21.12.2004 [10:03 ]
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Medals by Iraqis? Political discourses while your head is being pressed into the sand by your enemy's boots?
Please try and be realistic. This guy has no idea what it means to be physically resisting an occuipier. Everything he said about Falluja is a lie.
"Handing the country back to the Ba'ath without restraint doesn't do it for me."
Two problems, it's not you who decides, it's 25 million Iraqis. Problem number two, what Ba'ath? You are begining to buy their propoganda that the resistance is somehow a combination of "Islamists" and Ba'athists. It's just normal people, resisting an occuipying power.
It's funny that the world thinks that they have some kind of authority to tell us what to do; while you guys were dancing to a fire we were building civilisations. We have been there and done that, and we've got the ruines to prove it.
Just trust the Iraqis, they know what they are doing.
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by Dom on 21.12.2004 [10:22 ]
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We agree a solidarity movement is a good idea? We agree it's what the Iraqis want? Good.
Lenin said something to the effect that politics begins, not where there are thousands, but where there are millions. Right now it is difficult to find two men and a dog anywhere in the world who will stand up for the Iraqis. Face facts! The movement we need is not there!
Now the Iraqis can decide whatever they like, for sure. But I can tell you that there will never be an uncondidtional mass world solidarity movement for an armed struggle that has no programme. People may not approve of occupation, but a simple "troops out" approach will not work.
The Iraqi people need to know this. International solidarity will have a political content, or there won't be any. If the Iraqis want a significant movement, they have to show us the deal. Why the hell keep it a secret? Trust? Trust a bunch of sky-pilots? Why? Trust people who have killed workers? Not without a deal, mate. You won't get that sort of trust. Forget it. Start talking business!
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by Syrian Guest on 21.12.2004 [11:22 ]
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The people around the world didn't support Vietnam because the non-traitors were communist.
But I agree, we need a movement, and it must support the Iraqi resistance for the right reasons.
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by Dom on 21.12.2004 [12:24 ]
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Exactly. The Vietnamese struggle had a political content.
The South African struggle had the Freedom Charter.
The work of rendering the struggle politically coherent is indispensable. The enemy knows this. That is why George W Bush's remark that they are deliberately "creating chaos" is the most revealing of all his remarks.
Without that political content we are playing their game: Cowboys and Indians. They don't mind playing that game forever. Win or lose, they win, until the day we can raise the political stakes.
Neither militarism nor pacifism is any good here. In my opinion, the struggle for a single, secular, independent Iraq is good enough if all the "ordinary" people, who are in fact workers, national bourgeois, religious and ethnic, can sign up to it. Then you have the makings of a movement, internal and external, which can link up with struggles on other fronts.
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by Guest on 21.12.2004 [12:27 ]
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this idiot has wrote such utter nonsense it means as much as load of cow dung but then again these indians worship that stuff bwahhhhhhaaaaa.keep on writing this crap fools the zionists will get you soon.his momma probably ran away with a pakistan boy thats why hes so upset at muslims
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by Syrian Guest on 21.12.2004 [12:54 ]
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"In my opinion, the struggle for a single, secular, independent Iraq"
I think you will be surprised to find that the majority of the resistance would stand for that and infact the ones which have stated their political opinion pretty much said all of the above.
But again, I will support the Iraqis in whatever path they choose to take. My support for them is not political, but as a matter of principle. I will support some who I disagree with if their house is being robbed, their children raped and their husband or wife murdered. If people don't have this moral, then the resistance (nor anyone for that matter) does not need their support.
The "wahabist"/"islamist"/blah blah blah are all psy-op horseshit to get immoral people to not support the resistance for their own selfish political agendas.
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by eurohippie Guest on 21.12.2004 [14:13 ]
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by Guest on 21.12.2004 [15:39 ]
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"Right now it is difficult to find two men and a dog anywhere in the world who will stand up for the Iraqis. Face facts! The movement we need is not there!"
Let's be frank. The reason why there is no mass movement to support the Iraqis is because many people (at least in the USA and other coalition countries) SUPPORT the invasion of Iraq.
In the USA, even the supposed antiwar people seem to spend more time repeating their blather about how they Support the Troops (TM) than expressing solidarity with the IraqiS.
For many, many Americans--including the some mainstream antiwar types--THEY HATE THE IRAQI RESISTANCE, because "they are killing our precious troops."
Those are the facts that need to be faced.
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by Dom on 21.12.2004 [16:13 ]
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I will also personally support the Iraqis without reservation. I love them. Nor will I be surprised if a united front is created for a single, secular, independent Iraq, because I know that is in keeping with Iraqi history, and also the best guarantee of religious freedom. But then it must be done so, and not just dreamt about.
People need a lead. You must not assume that because they are not getting organised in solidarity, therefore the people of the world are indifferent or immoral. There is a way of doing this work. It has to be patient and methodical.
For the sake of South Africa, there are a lot of people who devoted forty or fifty years to solidarity work, in Britain and other places. They knew that this work was only one part of the struggle, and not the leading one. It helped a lot that the national liberation movement was substantially united and had a clear slogan: one-person-one-vote in a unitary state. The armed struggle was accepted all over the world because the politics was clear.
The South African liberation struggle gave a moral and political lead to people around the world. That was not its purpose but it was a conscious development. The Iraqi struggle can also be a leading political force in the world, if the Iraqis can show unity.
It will be extremely difficult to achieve unity. There are many obstructions to an accommodation between the national bourgeoisie and the proletariat. The expulsion of the Ba’ath civil servants and the disbanding of the army has generated a chaos in the national bourgeoisie. This is a situation that requires feats of leadership of the order of a Ho Chi Minh or an Oliver Tambo.
eurohippie, I see that document. I have not read it entirely but from the second paragraph it seems that the ICP was excluded and condemned for being in the Governing Council at that time. This is an indication of some of the problems of unity that I am referring to.
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by Johnny Comando Guest on 21.12.2004 [20:59 ]
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I have read this author before when he was in Iraq at the beginning of the war. His articles were fairly well done. I believe he is back in (get this) Dallas, where I must assume he is affected in thought patterns due to his being embedded in the Born Again "Our God is Better than Yours" south. I didnt read this, but he cant be that whack. Regardless, I stand behind all of your comments and say "Keep up the fight, the empire must be defeated". I know that the CIA/Mossad are running their own insurgency and they(Americans/Israelis) are the foreign fighters that America keeps reporting on. How ironic this all is.
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by screwed869 Guest on 21.12.2004 [21:36 ]
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not a single person here has any idea what they are talking about
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by Belgian Guest on 21.12.2004 [22:11 ]
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The resistance should be given unconditional support.
However the Afghan resistance expelled the Russian invaders, but then started fighting each other, this clearly shows the need for an agreed plan on the future of a liberated US-free Iraq, so yes there must be some sort of political vision.
Apart from that, I care very little for the ideological battles of keyboard warriors and morons like the Baathist "Syrian" or the Trotskyist "Dom". People like these two morons and fanatics have killed enough people already....and the last thing the brave and heroic Iraqi freedom fighters need or care for is guidance and enlightenment from these two clowns.
Vive le resistance.
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