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US on verge of another victory over Russia as Ukraine MP's bow to the west and declare vote invalid
By: BBC Online on: 27.11.2004 [13:27 ] (1974 reads)
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US on verge of another victory over Russia as Ukraine MP's bow to the west and declare vote invalid
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by Blue Agua Guest on 27.11.2004 [14:28 ]
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It is not the U.S that is behind any of this it is the European Union.Because that is who it benefits.The oil and gas route from Iran(to be invaded)will be piped directly through Iran into Armenia then onto UKRAINE then GEORGIA into mainland EUROPE.who does that benefit EUROPE or the U.S.exactly it benefits Europe.The invasion of Iraq.Iraq oil piped from Iraq into Turkey then into The European Union.Who does that Benefit European Union or the U.S ?
Pushing into the caucasus areas and building a missle shield.Who does that benefit the U.S which is 10,000 km away or Europe that is right there.Exactly Europe.Where is the Headquarters of NATO is it in the U.S or in EUROPE it is in Europe.
If people scratched beneath the surface on all of these Geo political events around the world you will see that in every case the benefactor is Europe.Europe sits there quietly and often opposes openly,yet it is the major benefactor in every case.
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by Wondering Guest on 27.11.2004 [14:30 ]
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There is only one solution and that is Russia needs a tough President not a pussy like Putin.
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by Syrian Guest on 27.11.2004 [14:54 ]
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Where the MP's decide the "will of the people"?
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by Kusanagi Motoko Guest on 27.11.2004 [15:20 ]
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Let the US/EU candidate to 'win' the elections. Claim it is fraudulent and stage protests in east ukraine. Then the new 'government' will send troops with western backing to supress the 'deadenders' uprising allowing Russia to invade Ukraine to 'protect' the russian population. After that and with a bit of luck in a couple of months most EU will be a radiactive wasteland.
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by Guest on 27.11.2004 [15:49 ]
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It is the whole political aparatus of ukraine that is either pussied or corrupted.
There is nothing you can do to save this poor country I think , they are blinded by the disneyland way of life they see in the west, they think they'll take advantage of it.
They don't relize all their country will be sold to western interests and they will work as low cost labor for european companies. That's why Europe was created in the first place!
The part of the popultaion that won the election are too lymphatic to do anything and they are being robbed of their victory, when they realize it will be too late for them.
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by Guest on 27.11.2004 [16:32 ]
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The parliamentary vote is not binding.
My question is: The resolution received 250 votes. How many dissented?
If there were quite a few, then I would speculate that it isn't much of a mandate.
And to vote no confidence in the Election Commission???
That is laughable!
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by Kusanagi Motoko Guest on 27.11.2004 [17:18 ]
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has 450 seats. I don`t know how voted the others (either against or abstention).
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by hayate Guest on 27.11.2004 [18:00 ]
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war, corruption and mcdonnalds.
Why let any ameroisraeli associated organisation in ones country. It's pure folly. If you boot them out, it makes it 10 times harder for them to start their crap.
And if you botcott their products and companies, their economy will fall apart.
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by hayate Guest on 27.11.2004 [18:05 ]
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Those mps can see the money flowing into their hands from the 21st century's nazis as soon as yushy gets in place. Much more money than the token amount they get now.
The ameroisraeli really needs to be completely removed from Europe or the fascists will continue splitting Europe into bit size pieces for 21st century nazi consumption at their local mcdonnalds.
Boot the suckers out.
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by Kusanagi Motoko Guest on 27.11.2004 [18:31 ]
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by Guest on 27.11.2004 [19:51 ]
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I am afraid that Yushchenko has signed himself a death sentence. It is impossible to be safe when so many people hate him so much . A these people have a lot to lose. Remember Izrael. When a prime-minister there was killed by some extremists. And Ukraine is not Gerogia.
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by Guest on 27.11.2004 [21:01 ]
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Putin must stop acting like a goddamned coward and fight back.
Today it is Ukraine. Tomorrow the American Nazis will be marching Russia itself.
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by wt Guest on 27.11.2004 [21:42 ]
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Putin can have Russia make alliance with world's 1.3 billion muslims giving him all sort of advantages including million of committed muslims who hate the US yet he tries to kiss Bush's ass and get Russia kicked over and over again.
Is there no one who will stand up and defend mother russia? The women of russia are sent to Israel as prostitutes. the old soldiers who sacrificed their lives and health to defeat the nazi's are destitute. The pensioners are huddled without heat. A small group of chosen and their allies makes gobs of money. What is wrong with you Russians? Has the life gone out of you? You defeated Napolean and Hitler and now you cannot even defend your girls and elderly?
Come and make alliance with the muslims we have our own problems but togethor we can do more. The Chechen war was instigiated by zionists to pit Russia against muslims. Why don't you realize that? The Soviet Union used to support muslim countries because they knew the muslims were useful in stopping the USANS empire.
Russia change sides. The USAN's only want to destroy you.
WT
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by Guest on 27.11.2004 [21:43 ]
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Some have been saying for years that Putin is in fact Jewish, any thoughts on this?
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by Tet on 27.11.2004 [21:53 ]
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Putin studied the Bible at home with his father, or at least that's what his bio says. I've seen nothing that would lead me to believe anything else. Peace.
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by sponge bob square pants & gary Guest on 27.11.2004 [21:55 ]
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by Guest on 27.11.2004 [21:58 ]
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WWII Russia--which was much poorer and destitute than today's Russia-- had the political guts and determination to fight the original Nazis and repel these Western fascists from Stalingrad and beyond.
Today, many 21st Century Russians have been indoctrinated by the opiate of American McCulture, and have had their POLITICAL Will to fight sapped out of them.
This is one reason why Muslims HAVE THE WILL TO RESIST AND FIGHT THE USA: THEIR CULTURE HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETE COLONIZED BY AMERICAN CONSUMERISM AND AMERICAN MCSHIT CULTURE.
Until Russians learn to fight back against this kind of American "Civilizational" Warfare, they will always happily spread their legs for these American Rapers.
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by sponge bob square pants & gary Guest on 27.11.2004 [22:02 ]
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by Guest on 27.11.2004 [22:15 ]
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by Guest on 27.11.2004 [23:01 ]
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by Guest on 27.11.2004 [23:23 ]
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"WWII Russia--which was much poorer and destitute than today's Russia-- had the political guts and determination to fight the original Nazis and repel these Western fascists from Stalingrad and beyond."
Well, if I remember correctly, WW2 Russia(USSR) originally chose to make a pact with the nazi swhen they thought it would benefit them. They only started the real fight when their country was half invaded.
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by Guest on 27.11.2004 [23:52 ]
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so Putin, a former KGB man studied the bible in soviet russia? Not very likelly...
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by Guest on 27.11.2004 [23:58 ]
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Your teacher once said, when you became President, that they have trust in you and that you know what to do.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO???
Your enemies, the Americans and their henchmen at AT YOUR GATES.
Just hoping you are seriously playing chess and not otherwise.
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by Guest on 28.11.2004 [01:22 ]
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by Guest on 28.11.2004 [01:35 ]
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211 voted to say election is illegal. Another Yuschenko puppet show.
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by Guest on 28.11.2004 [01:42 ]
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Voted total, with the rest of 200 not even at the meeting. You can bet the Orange sellouts were.
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by FromPortugal on 28.11.2004 [02:01 ]
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well,
I suggest you to think a litle bit more on the subject.
let's see.
The oil and gas route from Iran(to be invaded)will be piped directly through Iran into Armenia then onto UKRAINE then GEORGIA into mainland EUROPE
Iran goes to Armenia then Georgia then Ukraine then Europe, that is a possibilitie, sure some of oil would go to Europe. But now there are already a lot of oil shipment. to where are they going currently?
And who is behind the construction of pipeline that passes Azerbeijan, Georgia and Turkey? US.
Who is giving money to Georgia? US.
Who is training Georgian military? US.
who is making spy flights through georgian territory to watch russian border? US.
who is giving money to Azerbeijan? US.
who is offering patrol boats to Azerbeijan? US.
Who invaded Iraq? US.
who is extracting oil from Iraq? US.
who is threatning Iran? US.
The invasion of Iraq.Iraq oil piped from Iraq into Turkey then into The European Union.Who does that Benefit European Union or the U.S ?
Amazing, so the Iraqui oil goes only north? for you information the most of the oil is going South, near kuwait. and this oil going south is to whom? European Union too?
Pushing into the caucasus areas and building a missle shield.Who does that benefit the U.S which is 10,000 km away or Europe that is right there.Exactly Europe.Where is the Headquarters of NATO is it in the U.S or in EUROPE it is in Europe.
You are joking. The current ABM system needs to be close of the aggressive missiles. So, they are in England to counter Russian missiles and are being deployed in Japan to counter China missiles. by the way, a missile shield in Japan, also helps Europe?
About Headquarters of NATO, well how much Nato countries are in American continent and how much Nato countries are in Europe continent?
If people scratched beneath the surface on all of these Geo political events around the world you will see that in every case the benefactor is Europe.Europe sits there quietly and often opposes openly,yet it is the major benefactor in every case.
Really?
who threats Euro? US
Who threats European sattelites? US
who controls some UE countries? US
Who are the first world importer of oil? US
who have is currency in danger? US
who is making wars? US
who doesn't want an approach of Europe to Russia? US
you need to revise your geo political thoughts.
US is playing with bullets
Europe is playing with diplomacy
Russia is playing with chess
China is waiting they turn to enter in game
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by Yasis Guest on 28.11.2004 [03:45 ]
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Very clear and rational thinking. We need more of that here.
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by Ignacio el Argnetino Guest on 28.11.2004 [04:06 ]
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Very well "from Portugal"...you are right. Excellent analysis!!
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by PaperTigeur Guest on 28.11.2004 [06:44 ]
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Why do the Russians keep taking it up the #*s from the Yanks? They let the US goad them into the Afghanistan debacle, and they're obviously doing the same with Iraq. But they keep giving the US these PR victories. If the pro-Yank candidate DOES become Prez.... I would be looking at the Euro NOW, if I was Russian. I would punish the Dollar and reward the Euro. But I am not Russian, so maybe they know something I don't but....man....they sure like Yank Bitches.
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by Syrian on 28.11.2004 [09:41 ]
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I don't blame the Russian Military.
I blame the puppets who are in control of both of them.
The Russian Goverment is designed to run Russia into the ground, making scientists and engineers flee to western countries with Russian technology. It is designed to suck every last ruble out of russia.
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by fly Guest on 28.11.2004 [11:05 ]
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the pro-western demonstrators, what will go on?
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by Blue Agua Guest on 28.11.2004 [11:31 ]
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To Portugal what you do not realise.Is that appx 2 months ago.Not me but China linked all the Dots back too Europe,from the Iraq Invasion,to the Middle East and what is happening in the World.It then knew that Europe is the real enemy and the culprit behind what is going on.What followed is that Russia Putin sold China its highest grade weapons technology and the manufacturing sole rights to these (NO other country gets that ) meaning that China can make these weapons.Iran and China signed the largest ever oil/gas deal in history.China placed its own Chinese nuclear weapons in Iran,because it wants to protect its newly aquired assets.Those weapons are not pointed at the U.S they are pointed at mainland western Europe.In doing that is a statement from China and Iran,in that they know who the real culprit is and behind adverse geo-political events ie EUROPE.At the same time Hu jinto and Zemin made a statement saying that western style democracy is not for China(meaning Europe cannot infiltrate its internal infastructure)it then arrested 16 Chinese bankers who were corrupted and working quietly for European interests and executed them,all political power was subsequently moved to the CMC chinese military council and internal power was centralised.A reporter who gave information to the New York times behind the scenes was arrested is awaiting trial and execution.China then went all around its own infastructure and arrested anyone it thought either corrupt or working for outside interests.It then slapped on new laws onto not only its own corporations by external corporation.China then moved 15 divisions to the borders or Korea and reallocated 2 military satellites that specialise in pinpointing stealth submarine and stealth aircraft.N.Korea does not have that equipment.But Europe and the U.S do.That is a statement.Within a very short period of time everyones Geo political hands were out in the open.China at that moment became a superpower a balance throughout the World.What you are completely unaware of Portugal is that CHINA has worked out who the real enemy is which is the EUROPEAN UNION.Every action it is doing proves that.If the U.S attacks Iran with tactical Nukes.Then there will be retaliation,that will not happen in the U.S it will happen in mainland Europe.Maybe Portugal.
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by Pavel Guest on 28.11.2004 [12:23 ]
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Clearly the US is irritating Putin with its dangerous gamemenship in the Ukraine. Putin can destroy the US fiat dollar if he so choses by rejecting it as the world's reserve currency. He can do this with Iran. Both can decide to accept euros only for their oil and natural resources. This will cause massive dollar holders to panic and unload their dollar reserves. It's not in Europe's advantage to shaft Russia. For the US to maintain world hegemony, it must control all major oil resources of the world. Unfortunately US military might will fail to accomplish this because the US has de-industralized and is economically weak now. What happens when countries refuse to sell resources for dollars?
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by FromPortugal on 28.11.2004 [12:25 ]
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Nonsense.
Russia Putin sold China its highest grade weapons technology and the manufacturing sole rights to these (NO other country gets that ) meaning that China can make these weapons
What weapons? And India, does she not have manufacturing rights too? of russian weapons?
Iran and China signed the largest ever oil/gas deal in history
So? Russia have deals with them too. and is Russia that is building their nuclear central.
China placed its own Chinese nuclear weapons in Iran
show me evidence of that.
Those weapons are not pointed at the U.S they are pointed at mainland western Europe
show me evidence of that.
China then moved 15 divisions to the borders or Korea and reallocated 2 military satellites that specialise in pinpointing stealth submarine and stealth aircraft
where did you get that info?
What you are completely unaware of Portugal is that CHINA has worked out who the real enemy is which is the EUROPEAN UNION
Off course. that's why France is trying to sell weapons to China. the french want to commit suicide.
If the U.S attacks Iran with tactical Nukes.Then there will be retaliation,that will not happen in the U.S it will happen in mainland Europe.Maybe Portugal.
Specially Portugal. We are a very dangerous country. we have a secret pact with martians. nobody have the balls to confront our mighty country.
be serious. China is surrounded by US bases and their problem is Europe? well if they want to punish Europe then don't buy Airbus planes. Airbus is showing Boeing, how to sell. and China his helping.
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by Blue Agua Guest on 28.11.2004 [12:45 ]
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Potugal go on the internet dig out news sources.Rather than deny everything check it all out.Look at history.See how the U.S was formed,who colonised it,who run it,why the war of independance,who set up that countries infastructure,who runs the U.S where are those peoples heritage from.Who colonised the world from which part of the world it came from.Who owns the largest corporations,where are they based.Why are all the corporations leaving and relocating to Europe.Why Georgia Why Ukraine.Why invade Iraq who benefits where was the oil being pumped to in iraq which countries does the oil pipelines go through.Why invade Iran who benefits which countries will the pipelines go through from Iran.Who owns airbus and what and who own those companies that own corporations like airbus.Why did the Beslan tradegy happen.Why all the true fuss about Sudan.Who owns the United Nations,which countries pull the strings of the United nations.Why is the dollar falling and the Euro rising who benefits.Why is the European union forming who owns the Eurocentral bank.Why is a constitution being forced through.There are so many questions and information that are interlinked.What i can assure you off that China has gone back and linked all the dots together.Why did Iran tell Europe to piss off its not getting an oil many things one thing is a Certainity is that if Iran gets attacked by whoever.Europe will get HIT.that is not an if that is a certaintity.
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by FromPortugal on 28.11.2004 [13:05 ]
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well, so i have made a lot of questions to you. and your answer is go on the internet.
you simply don't know what you are talking. you are making desinformation.
if you want credibility to your statments, you should defend them.
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by Blue Agua Guest on 28.11.2004 [13:49 ]
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I am very fortunate about a year ago i decided to take a few years of work.History geo political events especially with the Iraq war grabbed me and i became very interested.Unlike most people i have a lot of time on my hands and i decided to read up and research a lot of what is going on in the world about 6 hours every day.I read and research and try and follow what is happening in the news.Just for personal benefit and because it all intrigues me.From spending that amount of time in researching,some information clicks and some does not.Nevertheless what i write is only a personal interpretation of the knowledge and understanding i have aquired.From what i can see is that the EU was formed to be an offsetting global power in the world in fact the world controlled by European countries,a superpower if you like.This has not happened and now will never happen,because China has taken that mantle.It became a superpower 2 months back,a global offsetting power.What most people forget is that all of the world was colonised by Europe,Either France,Spain,Britain,Portugal,Holland etc colonising from South and North America to Middle East,Africa and Asia.The indigenous populations suffered greatly at the hands of the colonisers from subdegation,humiliation and slavery.Europeans have forgotten this but peoples from around the world have not.The European Union was formed which is a union of all these countries.The U.S itself was a former colony.The power base from all that happens is directly coming from Europe.The U.S is just a tool being used to complete an agenda of securing the worlds natural resources and strategic control,in effect World Domination.Not to benefit the U.S but to benefit European Union.After completion the U.S was meant to be dropped.This is why jobs are being outsourced corporations are moving headquarters into Europe,the dollar is devaluing,whilst the Euro increasing,and untold immigrants being allowed into the U.S currently running at 4 million a year.The U.S was always designed to be dropped and Europe take over its true dominion as a global centre.That cannot be acheived now because China has stepped in and become a Superpower.This is one reason why everything in future will escalate.Their plans of World wide domination has failed and worse than that.All the countries that matter now are aware of what the agenda was.
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by BigBird Guest on 28.11.2004 [14:19 ]
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Interesting. I'm sure that looking at history more closely, we can have a better picture of taday and hopefuly connect the dots. By the way, do you have any links about the EU? I was always suspicious of this EU business. Looks like the EU is on a road to become more authoritarian and supposedly the constitution is extremely complex. Looks like "empire building" through paperwork and deception. Time will tell. I'm particularly interested about the EU banking system (central bank) and the constitution.
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by Kusanagi Motoko Guest on 28.11.2004 [15:18 ]
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That there is only ONE Europe (or EU). The EU isn't a state and it may never be one. The atlantists (the ones that want an europe oriented to the Atlantic Ocean with the UK and US as leaders) are the main drivers of the current EU policy about Ukraine. Those are the guys that want a strongest NATO (which is an association of US client states) and fear the french-german axis and the building of a true european military organization. They are the ones that support the Iraq War, have troops there and want the other NATO to send cannon fodder troops.
Obviously neither the french nor the german are going to align with Putin in this one after all their populations have been feed with the Yuschenko is a DEMOCRAT and the other one a DICTATOR PR so they just keep quiet or talk about supporting democracy in more general terms. In fact what a better way to challenge the french-german friendship with Russia that make them choice between the EU or Russia. Because with the current PR campaign supporting Russia is being made to seem as supporting dictatorship. The cold war discurse is being repeated: you are with us or against us. If Russia becomes the enemy of europeans and democracy the only way for EU will be towards the US and UK (the anglosaxons, the atlantists). What the atlantists have been fearing for centuries is an united continental EU.
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by Blue Agua Guest on 28.11.2004 [15:47 ]
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Yours was an interesting point in your post.There does seem to be something very George Orwellian,the creation of Eurasia and Europa.There is so much happening in front of our very own eyes.Like something is being created and for a reason but no one is quite sure of what it is.
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by Guest on 28.11.2004 [16:13 ]
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"If Russia becomes the enemy of europeans and democracy the only way for EU will be towards the US and UK (the anglosaxons, the atlantists). What the atlantists have been fearing for centuries is an united continental EU."
The Atlanticists fear a united Europe or French, German, and Russia coalition. One secondary benefit of stirring up Ukraine is to drive a wedge between Russia and Old Europe.
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by Blue Agua Guest on 28.11.2004 [17:23 ]
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Europe has no natural resources None.I pointed out in a previous post the oil route from Iran into Armenia then in Ukraine-Georgia into Mainland Europe.Also Iraq oil to be pumped through Turkey into mainland Europe.That benefits Europe directly and not the U.S.The Ukranian democracy and joining the EU benefits the EU.The oil contracts and reconstruction contracts all benefit EU corporations subcontracted out through Haliburton,Kellog,Root and Brown.The fact that Iran has signed a sole oil deal with China and told the EU it is not selling it any oil is a statement.The EU is run by France and Germany.The EU central bank that controls the European finance is in Germany.The Parliament is in Belgium along with the criminal court.Without Natural resources the Whole of the EU grinds to a halt.It has no natural resources.Russia knows its history it knows what Napolean(French) tried to do in Russia.Also what Germany and the Nazis did to Russia.Russia will always be cagey with Europe because of the past.Look what is happening now.First Georgia then Ukraine.Putin knows about the oil route Putin knows who really benefits from these countries ie the EU.
Old wounds from past victories and defeats get reopened.Please dont sit there and think Germany and France are the good guys,because they are not.They benefited from the Iraq war economically and will benefit from Iran directly.Not everything is always as it seems or what politicians say.Take for instance this German politicians state publically what Israel does to Palestinins is wrong and should stop.The very next month Germany GIVES Israel 2 nuclear submarines(check it on a google search) both those are contrary actions.To say one thing and do the exact opposite.
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by FromPortugal on 28.11.2004 [18:06 ]
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I agree with your opinion about Europe.
Just add one more thought.
UE is in danger. since there are two wills inside europe, one sided with US, other wants independence from US.
US with NATO instrument is influenting the UE from inside, the new contries that entered to UE, entered first in NATO.
If UE desintegrates, euro desintegrates too. with that, the dollar threat disapear, the dollar become again the world major currency.
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by FromPortugal on 28.11.2004 [18:22 ]
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.I pointed out in a previous post the oil route from Iran into Armenia then in Ukraine-Georgia into Mainland Europe
you point but you cannot explain. be more specific are you telling that oil starts in Iran, pass to Armenia, go to Ukraine, then Georgia and from here jump to Europe? what pipeline is this?
The fact that Iran has signed a sole oil deal with China and told the EU it is not selling it any oil is a statement
Iran has signed a deal with China, the rest of statment is rubbish.
Germany GIVES Israel 2 nuclear submarines
That's a lie. how can Germany give 2 nuclear submarines if they have none?!
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by Blue Agua Guest on 28.11.2004 [20:19 ]
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You have an amazing tool right in front of you.Its called the internet with that comes google.Click on google then type in searches.
German submarine sales to Israel ?
Chinese troop movement to north korea ?
There you can find all the answers to your questions.I am not here to do the work for you.Type in searches and find it yourself.
Iran was to be invaded correct me if i am wrong Iran axis of evil.That has now been stopped by China.Get a map on the internet of Iran the black sea and into Europe.Look at all those countries that go from Iran to Europe like Armenia-Ukraine-Georgia-Mainland Europe.
Then go onto a google search and see what Natural resources Germany or France have you will find None.
You are quick to criticise without even having the decency to check the information out yourself,Of which i am amazed.
Check the information out.After you have the information then make an analysis without doing that you make yourself look very stupid.
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by Kusanagi Motoko Guest on 28.11.2004 [20:28 ]
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three diesel submarines for Israel for free. Israel is planning to use those submarines as their third layer of their nuclear strategy. Submarines in nuclear war are used as mobile second wave plataforms. Even if missile and aircraft carried nukes are disabled by an enemy preemptive attack submarines can strike back.
But well, we know how Israel has been blackmailing germans for 50 years.
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by FromPortugal on 28.11.2004 [23:11 ]
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Resuming, you don't know what you are talking about.
I've made several specific questions to you, but you are not capable of answer just one.
There was German submarine sale/offer but they are not NUCLEAR.
I am not here to do the work for you
Neither i want. i know the subject too. is because of that i contest your talk. but i made the questions and you are unable to answer.
you are unable to defend your points of view. what knowledge is that?
You are quick to criticise without even having the decency to check the information out yourself,Of which i am amazed.
i do not need to check information, if you answer my questions, i'll have the decence to read and respond accordingly.
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by Ojos Verdes Guest on 28.11.2004 [23:49 ]
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Blue agua you are on the right track I think. You are right in that much of the western geopolitical control is the hands of Europe, specifically the dozen or so great families of the international bankers headed by the Rothschild family. They finally gained control of the federal reserve about 100 years ago after a long struggle and have controlled wallstreet ever since.
If you are talking about these families then yes their power base is in Europe. They hold allegience to nobody and nothing other than hard currency. They are dumping America I totally agree, but they are also investing heavily in China and South America and I imagine they would dump Europe just as quick if it was in their interests. They are also the ones behind globalisation and the drive towards one world government.
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by Guest on 29.11.2004 [17:42 ]
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