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US struggles to “encircle” China: Experts
By: The Turkish News on: 19.09.2004 [19:22 ] (3388 reads)
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by picard Guest on 19.09.2004 [20:17 ]
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block Russian oil from reaching China? Also Venezuela has stated an interest in selling oil to China. Moreover the US is having a difficult time digesting Iraq.
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by gmpratt on 19.09.2004 [21:48 ]
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by Guest on 19.09.2004 [21:53 ]
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Russia is supplying China with the oil,but also Russia keeps an eye on the future with a country like China with 1.34 billion population and limited land mass,Russia may have a problem in futures as a more prosperous Sino race looks west to expand lands and resources.This where Europe and even America come in.Russia will in time supply both.The reason will be to keep China in check.
Remember Russians,Europeans and ruling middle class in USA are all white,for thousands of years the White race has fought each other,but it can be sure that if in future china ie a Sino race attacked one of the white races,the other white race countries would go to defend it,that is for sure.Russia wants and needs USA at moment to be taken down a peg or 2 but doesnt want either america or europe destyroyed,because Russia realises that for its own survival in the future will require these countries against imperialist contenders like China,India and Pakistan.
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by Mr Europe Guest on 19.09.2004 [23:03 ]
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China has never been an expansive country. Tibeth is a small black spot in history. Russia will certainly do business with all paying (in real money not petro dollars) customers. It needs the money to rebuild its strenght. This US chess game has pushed Core EU, Russia and China more together. They all have a common goal, to play down US domination efforts. And in that chess game the looser will US. White race has little to do in geopolitics WWI and WW2 were examples of that.
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by Dirty Nuke Bomb Watch Guest on 20.09.2004 [03:10 ]
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China did not expand.
China kept within its borders for thousands of years.
White man the European was on the move to grab more and more land for thousands of years now — and we are still at it.
Give up the drive for conquest and hegemony. Let us build better world together.
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by econ Guest on 20.09.2004 [03:16 ]
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China and Japan have both left the Europeans and Americans wondering how it was possible for China and Japan to become industrial giants practically overnight when it took centuries in Europe and America.
Japan de-industrialized the US during 70', 80' and early 90's while the US pursued its grand and futile imperial strategy of setting up military bases in every country on the planet as it pursued the Cold War strategy.
Now the US cannot afford these bases as it struggles to fund social security, medicare and the interest on payments on its enormous deficits.
When the US realized it had been de-industrialized as the new high-tech factories opened up in Japan, it was too late to reverse course as America was well on its to being impoverished.
Even today the US is busy setting up bases in Iraq, Eastern Europe and in Central Asia when it cannot even afford the existing ones.
By then the US had turned into a 'services' economy that has hardly produced the high paying manufacturing jobs that it replaced and you can see the dramatic drop in the standard of living in all the board up major cities. Detroit is exhibit A. New York City escaped that fate because it is based on financial services.
America, instead of manufacturing, American prosperity is now based on the “financialization”.
Bankers earn profits by "paper transactions," charging consumers high interest on cheap revolving credit, forcing America corporation into risky junk bond debt to generate banking fees and interest payments or making money in speculation using derivatives and the carry trade.
It is a vicious circle. To keep up with these high debt payments, US corporations are firing workers and shifting their jobs off-shore or eliminating health care benefits to cut costs so that more resources are available to pay off debt.
Millions of American workers are now unemployed and can’t find work.
Look how a company stock rises when a company announces a layoff and Greenspan call this “productivity improvement.”
Now China is doing exactly what Japan did and the US pursues another costly and futile 'war on terrorism' by taking all the low-tech manufacturing jobs. India is now competeing for all the high wage and low wage service jobs as the is left with nothing but finding ways to pay for imports by printing worthless dollar and treasury bills.
HOW LONG CAN THIS TYPE OF TRADE LAST WHEN COUNTRIES SEND US TANGIBLE PRODUCTS AND THE US PROVIDES TREASURY BILLS?
China is going through the same criticisms that Japan faced in the 1980's as the US paniced.
In both Japan and China, they seem to have taken the best of capitalism, the best of socialism and the best of oriental culture and made it work.
HOW? Some of it is now coming to light.
Japan's interlocking cross-industry and cross-company alliance systems have more less prevented the wholesale looting of Japanese firms since it made it virtually impossible to determine ownership for those wanting to buy a single company. Americans could only invest in these companies, they could never own them.
Japan's MITI also was heavily involved in what seems to be central planning of their economy. This resulted in Japan maintaining his MANUFACTURING capabilities (and the technological innovations that it brings) as the US and Britain became what they call a "post industrial-services" economy built on credit bubbles.
In other words, the US and Britain are nothing but hollowed out financial shells that produce nothing they consume and must rely on financial products (paper-profits) in which nothing tangible is produced to survive.
You can see the US and Britain’s desperation in propping up the worthless dollar. Once the dollar is extinct and can no longer function as a international reserve currency, it will be the end of the US as we know it.
Britain will be caught in the same trap. There is a reason why Britain is America's lapdog. Britain can't survive without the US. Britain is totally dependent on the US. American tourism and exports are BIG factors.
Tony Blair's primary role is to make sure that Britain never converts to the EUR0.
Lifetime employment in Japan roundly denounced in the West also serves a purpose in that it promotes social stability and avoids the social problem of unemployment and constant layoffs. Employers can focus on training and not have to worry their workers will walk out the door for a competitor.
There is very little street crime in Japan.
This means anyone would be safe even in run down parts of town and you don’t see the ‘inner city’ problem in Japan.
What is worrying to both the Americans and the Europeans is that a new economic model has emerged in which there is some state planning, some socialism, some barter deal and some capitalism in which the standard of living can be raised without causing the tremendous social disruptions that plague America and Europe.
The terrifying part is that this new system will replace the favored capitalism model where the usual neoclassical assumptions are not always relevant and the dollar plays no role.
This is the new system that the US fears will be used as the US economy implodes under its enormous debt. The last thing the US wants is their capitalist model discredited and discarded into the dustbin of history, just the like the Soviet Union's model was discarded and discredited when the Soviet empire imploded.
It hard to see what the purpose of stifling China's economic progress would be when the US depends on China providing a portion of the $2 billion in foreign investment needed and the US no longer has a competitive manufacturing capability?
The US can only literally shoot itself in the foot.
It is clear China and India will emerge industrialized as the US once-again waste its dwindling resources on a 'war on terror'.
With all the manufacturing and service jobs gone, I wonder what US workers will be doing? I shudder to even speculate.
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by Anti-Western Resistance Guest on 20.09.2004 [03:41 ]
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by zhen Cheng Guest on 20.09.2004 [03:47 ]
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I think as the US economy pending collapse, US will follow similar strategy of Hitler to radicalize US population and waging war, and even nuke wars. The remnants of Nazis in US will not tolerate the loss of power, and bring the world to destruction. As Einstein once said, I do not know what will be used in WW3, but I know in WW4 it will be knifes.
That is prospect that we all should try to prevent, and especially lies in the hands of US people.
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by USAn Guest on 20.09.2004 [05:10 ]
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"I don't know with which weapons WW3 will be fought, but WW4 will be fought with sticks and bones"
Einstein
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by Yakob the peasant Guest on 20.09.2004 [05:44 ]
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If US is so threatned by China, why in hell did US export it's jobs to China ? Then it's economic base, it's best manufacturing technology..... give to China ballastic missle guidence technology, and the best of our H-bomb science ??
Seems to me, that it .....was....and it ....... IS.. ..USA which is building China into a Super power, as I speak.
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Is it me... ? Or is there something wrong with the theroy of this article ?.
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by Dirty Nuke Bomb Watch Guest on 20.09.2004 [06:21 ]
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I remember --
1 — about 40 years ago USSR/China have been firing guns at each other over the border.
2 — Ping-pong diplomacy. Kissinger went to Peking and offered a deal "against our common enemy". Peking accepted but asked Kissinger to transfer know-how and technology to update chinese industry for this coming war. Deal was struck — Reagan launched rearmament — USA was to spend more on arms in the comming five years than it spent in all its history.
3 — When Washington was ready — Peking reversed gear — Peking (Peking Review) said "only the technology for helicopters was good — the rest of the technology you transferred was three years behind world standard". Peking demobilised two million military.
Reagan got stuck with his mountains of armaments "against our common enemy".
4 — Beijing reformed its policy and open China to the world. Gorby did the same thing — open Russia to the world.
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by Guest on 20.09.2004 [07:42 ]
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People forget especially the Chinese that 90 % of industry moving to China is European and American corporations,That can stop overnight,If western goverments ordered corporations to stop de-industrialisation it would stop and the Chinese economy would collapse.China in the past has never really been a colonial power,But neither was Japan before WW2 or Germany Before 1939.So things change.An empowered China,with a belief in itself limited land mass and resources along with a population of 1.34 billion is a threat,Not directly to America or Europe,But to Russia,who has enormous land mass,resources and a population of only 180 million.
America,Australia,N.zealand,Canada are all colonised areas from Europe.Europe classes Russia as really a part of it and visa versa.People forget that colour and race does mean something and is important.If China in the future had colonial intentions or any other Asian-stroke race tried to gain land from Russia of which is a white European Race be assured Europe and America would join the War immediately.So just because in the past China has had no colonial intentions doesnt mean that wont change in the future.
China has to be careful itself as i say virtually all industrialisation of China is from Europe,America.That can be stopped overnight.The technology that has been given to China is years behind what the U.S and Britain have behind the scenes.I have read that they have mastered plasma,laser and nanotechnology which is not shown to the public.We will see what happens.If China in future over extends it intentions it will get whacked very hard by 3 areas America,Europe and Russia.
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by London Guest on 20.09.2004 [08:03 ]
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US has not got manpower nor economic power to ENCIRCLE China,this is grand myth or illusion!
At present time:China is swollowing FAR East part of what is left of Rusnya Federation via economics and migration! and ofcourse historical East Turkestan
With pace of Industrialization sooner or later it will have come in tacit agreement with India over conquest of what is now called "AUSTRALIA INFESTED WITH ILLEGAL EUROPEAN IMMIGRATES" and "CANADA" again same thing applies.
With Population,Technology and military might they WILL BE TO AFFORD TO FIGHT ANY POWER WITH NUKES! and live to tell a tale.
Europe and so called US are finished with their population growth in negative and biggest problem is A DRUGS (alcohol addiction)Russia is finished despite of whatever it does ,it has greater SOCIAL AS WELL AS ALCOHOL PROBLEM!
There is NO DISCIPLINE NOR FAMILY STRUCTURES LEFT in so called USA,Europe or Russia!
In order withstand any power essentials of Family structure,discipline and education is needed.
NEXT FIVE YEARS WILL THE MOST EXCITING.
DEMISE OF USA is in sight!
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by Guest on 20.09.2004 [08:28 ]
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China,Pakistan and india have been set up by Europe,Russia and U.S for destruction.The NWO has decided that with these 3 countries explosive birth rates and no way to control them,that these 3 countries are a future problem to the planet.The NWO is temporarily empowering these countries to take advantage of cheap labour and resources ie milking the countries dry.India and Pakistan have been set up to destroy each other.Each country has a small quantity of Nukes maybe 50 each.Trouble will be stirred up between these 2 countries leading to a holocaust which the NWO order will be pleased with as reduces world population by nearly 2 billion people.China has a small meaningless position with in the NWO and has been confirmed by the standing down of Jiang Zemin yesterday.Europe has been applied in position the tetrianic plasma weaponary for use against China if China turns away from the NWO.Those weapons are able to disintergrate a country like China in under 30 seconds leaving the infastructure and without long term damage to the enviroment.In Europe far right organisations are now being funded in France,Britain,germany,italy and Holland for the impetous of forcing out Ethnic minorities back to Africa,Asia and S.America.All of the above will occur before 2012.NWO wants to reduce the worlds population to under 2 billion.Europe is the NWO.before 2012.China,India,Pakistan will be destroyed.
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by London Guest on 20.09.2004 [10:27 ]
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You do have powerful point but remember thing like RADIATION and Colateral demage!
NWO countries are NOT IMUNE!
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by Syrian Guest on 20.09.2004 [11:41 ]
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We have more than a thousand years of good relations with China. If they want anything, they simply have to ask :)
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by London Guest on 20.09.2004 [12:36 ]
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The real point is US/the west have sensed a vaccum thus by creating proxy i.e Israel as frontage they have continued the CRUSADE AGAINST THE MUSLIMS.
US/the west have been successful in creating myth of Bin Laden and so called 911
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by Guest on 20.09.2004 [12:41 ]
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Have you seen what the Chinese have done to Muslims in China.Check out the internet and take a look,i do not think the Muslims on this site will be happy when they see what oppression the Chinese do to Islam in China.
So before you all sing the praises of China,take a good hard look.
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by zhen Cheng Guest on 20.09.2004 [13:49 ]
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With current leadership in China, China is focusing on developing economy and technology, and solving internal problem, building infrastructures. The money is well spent to create more opportunties for all Chinese people.
At the same time, US is spending most resources on foreign bases, invasion and occupation.
I hope God will give China 5-10 more stable years to develop. By then, China will be able to defeat any encirclement.
China has vast middle, north, and west regions to develop. China do need ability to maintain and protect mutual beneficial trade with other nations like oil shipment. If China do want more land, the first choice would have been Mongolia. Mongolia was separated from China only about 70 years ago, and has a population of only 2 million, and weak in economy and millitary. It is absurd to think China want to control the world.
China had great relationship with Arab people, Persian people etc through the silk road over the past thousand years. China suffered similar problems of Arabs now.
China will be a strong force of stability and peace in the times to come.
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by London Guest on 20.09.2004 [15:12 ]
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Yes! to a number of points but go and see what they doing to Uhigurs in what is now Xinjiang!
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by zhen Cheng Guest on 20.09.2004 [18:33 ]
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China is doing nothing different from any other country when it comes to separatism. Many Uhigurs Separatist were training in Afganistan by Al-Qaeda. They have sponsorship from US, Turkey and some West countries.
The majority of Uhigurs are good citizens of China. Xinjiang is quite stable now, and in good development.
London, do not use double standard, when you view the events. Otherwise, you will be no better than hypocrite.
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by BigBird Guest on 21.09.2004 [00:41 ]
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How did China become an economic power? Because they simply took advantage of US capitalist "me" and "now" policies. The US could have employed protectionist policies very easily to protect American industry against Chinese imports created from cheap labor. Why didn't they? So that US companies can make more profits. Of course no politician will ever do what is right for the US in the long run, because what counts is getting elected right away, not in the distant future. That's why the US two party system representing masses of idiots who can't seperate fact from fiction is doomed to failure. What I fear is that the US threatens the world with the use of nukes. The US economy will go down and all the US will be left with is a useless military which it can no longer finance, but since all it can do is destroy, they can't even control a country with no military, I hope they don't resort to nuclear threats and basicaly blackmailing the world under threat of annihilation. Given the absurdity of the Bush regime policies and actions, that wouldn't be surprising.
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by Dirty Nuke Bomb Watch Guest on 21.09.2004 [06:37 ]
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"Do not use double standard, when you view the events"
OK. Lets go by one standard.
Eurasian people Two Thousand years ago was polytheist.
Then came your Propher with Fire and Sword and imposed monotheism upon part of Eurasia, including what now is Xinjiang.
Our world — My World — the World I am ready to lay down my life for is World based on Free Choice. If I choose to be monotheist — thats my choice. If I choose to be polytheist — that's my choice.
But please do tell me where in your monotheist system do the people have Free Choice?
To me ABSOLUTE coercion is ABSOLUTE Fascism.
What would happen to people like me who dont want your monotheist system imposed upon us?
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by zhen Cheng Guest on 21.09.2004 [07:08 ]
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You think Chinese people do not have religion?
Lots Chinese people believe in various forms of Buddaism, esp. when people become older.
Their are millions muslin in XinJiang, what do you think they believe in?
Most West population are brainwashed too long and have colored view on China. Deny prejudice, and get facts.
Of course, Most people visiting here are great poeple, that is an exception..
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by Dirty Nuke Bomb Watch Guest on 21.09.2004 [17:44 ]
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The ancient polytheist way of life based on Free Choice was ABSOLUTELY suppressed in parts of Europe — in Rome. It led to Two Thousand years of Dark Ages over Europe and over the world.
But it survived in India and in China.
India is polytheist, so is China. In India there is hundreds of ethnic groups with their own languages and with their own religious beliefs. All that survived in India from Oral Ages to this day.
In China there is more than fifty ethnic groups, many with their own language, with their own religious belief — like that ethnic group which still worships the Bon religion.
In China there is catholic churches, protestant churches, Buddhist temples, Muslim mosques, worship of Confucius. In China, as in India, there is toleration of religious beliefs, there is Freedom of Religion. China has no History of Persecution of Religion as we Europeans have.
There is ethnic group Lhoba in Tibet which have their own language but not a written language and till receltly have been recording information with the use of Knots.
The pre-historic, Oral ballad Gesar survived in Tibet. Ballad Gesar is among the` Amerindian and among the Eskimos.
Our ancient Eurasian way of life based in Free Choice and toleration was suppressed by Rome and extinct — but it survived in India and in China.
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