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Stanlingrad, Sarajevo, Beirut, Dresden or Najaf.
By: Terapeut on: 27.08.2004 [12:50 ] (4603 reads)
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by Truth Seeker Guest on 27.08.2004 [11:56 ]
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and those who who have send them there knew that. Their sole goal was to saw chaos, destruction and depleted uranium dust and they have managed. They are making zillions extra billions on consumers worldwide with the oil price frenzy the Najaf mass-murder operation has triggered. They are milking the cow as much as they can.
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by fly Guest on 27.08.2004 [12:06 ]
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by swampfox Guest on 27.08.2004 [12:40 ]
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most of those officers and men will be dead in ten years due to all the du dust they are huffing and of course so will all those iraqi civilians who have to live there.its a war crime.
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by Dirty Nuke Bomb Watch Guest on 27.08.2004 [13:20 ]
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The Great American Dream is to bomb city to dust — then rebuild.
German cities were bombed to dust — then rebuilt with Marshall Aid.
Same thing Japan. Same thing Yugoslavia. Same thing now in Iraq.
The ministries in Baghdad were bombed to dust — but not the Oil Ministry. Now the USA is reconstructing.
Are there any other people with this madness BOMB and RECONSTRUCT?
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by USAn Guest on 27.08.2004 [14:11 ]
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Rebuilding bombed-out cities is vert profitable and provides great shareholder value!
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by Red Herring Guest on 27.08.2004 [14:16 ]
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Apart from the Iraqis who will die, that part of things you mention would be pretty funny. Imagine: you sign up for all this cr*p about defending the country, and not only do you get sent out on some pirate's errand for Bechtel, but it's under circumstances where your own leaders couldn't care less if you're almost certainly going to drop dead in ten years as a result.
All this stuff about the yanks being casualty-averse - which they certainly are, in a restricted and immediate jeez-don't-wanna-see-that-stuff-on-TV sense - when in fact, as you say, they're all going to die just from hanging around. Just not on prime time, so that's all right, eh?
Hahahahahah ....
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by Guest on 27.08.2004 [16:36 ]
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German cities were bombed to dust — then rebuilt with Marshall Aid.
Same thing Japan. Same thing Yugoslavia. Same thing now in Iraq.
It's kind of academic, but I think Marshall Aid used German companies, that's why it worked, it built the local economy. The U.S needed to do this, to create a market for it's goods. They wanted to build capitalist economies in the bombed countires so they could act as a support for the U.S economy, which was procucing goods because it was unharmed by war damage, to act as 'allies' to create markets and economic systems to work against the Soviet block.
I don't think the rebuilding of Iraq can be compared with the Marshall Aid, because it uses American companies, and has no desire to help Iraq economy, because it's goals are solely to rob the U.S and Iraqi people for the benefit of a few, rather than creating a larger strategic situation.
I could be wrong, and would welcome others input on this idea.
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by stopwar Guest on 27.08.2004 [17:31 ]
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Were rebuilt with a "Western" flavour. Now, is Tokyo that much different from New York? American companies will build McDonalds, not Mosques. So in addition to the naked profile motive, there is the PNAC objective of "Americanisation" of the culture and infrastructure. The troops know this, and believe it is right. Can't understand why the Iraqis don't want it!
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by george Guest on 27.08.2004 [17:31 ]
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Dresdan--truth of the killing is rarely told.
the germans were tricked into thinking the invasion would come from the north.Killers give orders to fire-bomb the whole city--so the living residence would flee and block the road ways.even the fleeing on the highways were bombed.Another highway of death.The germans could not get to the real invasion point--the roads were blocked by the dead and some alive.who give the orders--the drunk Churchill and the U.S. dog.how does the west get away with murder?????Bush is a lap dog of Israel--x-jews from east block
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by stopwar Guest on 27.08.2004 [17:39 ]
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We used to be ashamed of the carpet bombing of German cities, but quite recently a huge statue of Bomber Harris was erected in the centre of London.
Methinks the UK govt has been building up to the current conflict ever since 1979, when Thatcher came to power (or perhaps 1982, when they won the Falklands back). It is possible that by the time Blair got into office, all the plans had been carefully laid. So he just went along with it... Robin Cook would have resisted - so he was dumped in favour of man of straw.
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by stopwar Guest on 27.08.2004 [18:28 ]
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The White Man's Burden
By J. Rudyard Kipling (1899)
Take up the White Man's burden--
Send forth the best ye breed--
Go, bind your sons to exile
To serve your captives' need;
To wait, in heavy harness,
On fluttered folk and wild--
Your new-caught sullen peoples,
Half devil and half child.
Take up the White Man's burden--
In patience to abide,
To veil the threat of terror
And check the show of pride;
By open speech and simple,
An hundred times made plain,
To seek another's profit
And work another's gain.
Take up the White Man's burden--
The savage wars of peace--
Fill full the mouth of Famine,
And bid the sickness cease;
And when your goal is nearest
(The end for others sought)
Watch sloth and heathen folly
Bring all your hope to nought.
Take up the White Man's burden--
No iron rule of kings,
But toil of serf and sweeper--
The tale of common things.
The ports ye shall not enter,
The roads ye shall not tread,
Go, make them with your living
And mark them with your dead.
Take up the White Man's burden,
And reap his old reward--
The blame of those ye better
The hate of those ye guard--
The cry of hosts ye humour
(Ah, slowly!) toward the light:--
"Why brought ye us from bondage,
Our loved Egyptian night?"
Take up the White Man's burden--
Ye dare not stoop to less--
Nor call too loud on Freedom
To cloak your weariness.
By all ye will or whisper,
By all ye leave or do,
The silent sullen peoples
Shall weigh your God and you.
Take up the White Man's burden!
Have done with childish days--
The lightly-proffered laurel,
The easy ungrudged praise:
Comes now, to search your manhood
Through all the thankless years,
Cold, edged with dear-bought wisdom,
The judgment of your peers.
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by Econ Guest on 27.08.2004 [19:40 ]
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The Iraqi Marshall plan ought to be questioned because it hardly makes any economic sense in today's world.
First, at the end of WW2, the United States was flush with savings that built up over the war years as consumption was rationed and the resources diverted to the war effort. This built up savings and needed to be invested in profitable projects and Europe was ripe for these funds.
Thus, the US was able to set up the dollar as an international currency through such agencies as the World Bank and the IMF. These agencies were designed to make the world dependent on the dollar and US goods and services.
Second, the US had a manufacturing base that could supply war-torn Europe and Japan with consumer and durable goods.
Third, the US was seen as a "creditor" nation as gold and investment flowed into the the US as a safe haven during the war.
Finally, US surplus farm products filled the void in Europe until those nations' farms came back online.
None of the above apply to the America of today. The savings rate is non-existent among Americans and most American consumers live on debt that can't be repaid.
The US was totally de-industrialized by Japan and Japan leads the world in hi-tech manufacturing and China leading the world in low-tech consumer goods. India is the new destination for IT service jobs.
The US trade deficit paints a stark picture of America's de-industrialization.
Where once America was a creditor nation, it has now become the world's "debtor" nation with deficits approaching 6-10% of GDP.
The US must now borrow at least $2 billion a day from foreign investors to survive. The Euro has replaced the dollar as the world's international currency.
GDP in America, since the dot.com financial implosion, has been supported by gov't deficit spending, asset bubbles and extreme levels of liquidity by Allan Greenscam.
Hence, the so-called "war on terrorism" that is really a smoke-screen to hide the massive increases in gov't war-related deficit spending to sustain GDP.
America has used the Korean, Vietnam, the Cold Wars and War on terror to justify deficit spending in the so-called 'guns and butter' strategy in
which a desperate attempt is made to maintain US consumption patterns as the economy tanks while fighting wars.
The 'guns and butter' strategy didn't work in Vietnam and it isn't working in Iraq. Americans are still paying for the debts accumulated from the Korean war to today's war in Iraq.
The policy worked as long as the dollar reigned supreme, but by 1973 with gold stocks dwindling to pay for the the Korean and Vietnam wars, the US had already squandered its economic lead and today that economic lead had dwindled to practically nothing. The US is propped with paper profits that contribute nothing to industrial production.
Now, we can clearly see how the "war on terrorism" is being used and we will finally see the tragic results of such a policy as US dollar hegemony collapses.
Reports over the past two days showed that poverty rates were increasing, incomes were declining, on average the US is losing about 100,000 jobs a month and social security benefits for the elderly will be cut to pay for a bloated and useless military.
In other words, the US is bankrupt can't afford to rebuild Iraq that it is destroying. The $18 billion the US plans on spending in Iraq must all be borrowed with the interest due on all this debt.
The families of the dumb soldiers wondering today if Iraq looks like Stanlingrad, Sarajevo, Beirut or Dresden will be asking a year or two from now when they return to unemployment WHO impoverished us as the dollar sinks and the civil war in America breaks out. Lots of American cities will look like Stanlingrad, Sarajevo, Beirut, Dresden or Najaf.
The US will be forced to buy oil from Iraq in Euros or the Gold Dinar, something the US has fought the Iraq war to avoid.
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by Adept Guest on 27.08.2004 [21:55 ]
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I certainly hope the gold coin makes a comeback. Euro will have to follow, and the dollar will go the way of the dodo.
Good to see iraqwar.ru site survived. I didn't know about this place...
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by Ignacio el Argentino Guest on 27.08.2004 [22:20 ]
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Argentina win USA dream team in basquet ball . In this Historic sport moment of i want to say . Thank You ARGENTINA BASQUET TEAM for this heroic victory!!!!!! Long live Iraqui Freedom Fighters!!!!
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by stopwar on 27.08.2004 [22:34 ]
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Maybe Paraguay will beat you tomorrow! :-)
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by YankInOZ Guest on 27.08.2004 [23:33 ]
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Econ said, "The families of the dumb soldiers wondering today if Iraq looks like Stanlingrad, Sarajevo, Beirut or Dresden will be asking a year or two from now when they return to unemployment WHO impoverished us as the dollar sinks and the civil war in America breaks out. Lots of American cities will look like Stanlingrad, Sarajevo, Beirut, Dresden or Najaf."
I just saw Moore's F911. In the film, some of Moore's Flint, Michigan neigbours commented how you didn't have to go to Iraq to see a war torn area - you just had to look around yourself right there in Flint. Many of the houses and other buildings were in various conditions of shamble. So, Econ, you're wrong about the "will look like" part. They already do look like.
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by swampfox Guest on 27.08.2004 [23:38 ]
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du otherwise known as u-238 has a half life of 4 billion years before half of it decays into toxic lead, another 4 billion years until half of whats left decays into lead and so on. its the gift that keeps on irradiating.add that to the vaccines the us troops receive very few will live beyond 20 years.but the iraqis are really screwed because their farmland is poisoned for ever and ever.the cradle of civilization uninhabitable. the worst war crime imaginable.but not to worry the us military has contaminatedl large parts of the us with it.
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by Sunspot Guest on 28.08.2004 [00:02 ]
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It's all about the oil. The world's oil supply wil no longer satisfy the world's demand, starting right about now. The world production of oil is peaking and will start falling soon, within a few years. Our economy depends on growth, but without an ever growing supply of energy growth isn't possible. The current level of oil prices - over $43/barrel - is likely to lead to inflation and recession. Remember 1973? That was nothing, this time there is no solution.
I most highly recommend looking further into this issue. Richard Heinberg, Colin Campbell, Walter Youngquist, Jay Hanson are good places to start.
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by u.s.a d' new babylon Guest on 28.08.2004 [01:03 ]
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yeah, after this crap in iraq..individual u.s states should proclaim itself independent like what the soviet republics did..after all, the world will be a safer place to live in. texas will oneday be a terrorist training camp..hehehehe..i wanna see 50 more independent nations in north america!hehehe...down with the u.s!viva muqtada al-sadr!go iraqi resistance fighters!
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by u.s.a d' new babylon Guest on 28.08.2004 [01:20 ]
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skulls and bones...kerry is its member..batch '66..another soon-to-be wartime leader of u.s..whoever wins the november elections, sharon wins..too bad
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by Dirty Nuke Bomb Watch Guest on 28.08.2004 [06:25 ]
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Empires disintegrate — all attempts to Empire disintegrate — building external or internal empire disintegrate.
Rome Empire disintegrated.
Her Majesty's external Empire disintegrated — but HM Internal Empire still stands. BBC's workers TU newspaper once said If you wont hit it — it wont fall.
Yes, we — like the BBC's workers — we are hitting it with our pen.
We are saying
English Democratic People's Republic of England
Scottish Democratic People's Republic of Scotland
Welsh Democratic People's Republic of Wales
Irish Democratic People's Republic of Ireland
And let us have Union of British Democratic Republics at Westminster.
Lets have "50 more independent nations in north america! in Federal Union with Independent Democratic Peoples Republics of Britain.
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by stopwar Guest on 28.08.2004 [11:23 ]
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Don't you mean "Irish Democratic People's Republic of Northern Ireland"
Ireland is doing very nicely as a full member of the EU complete with Euro. It is the UK that is in the s***.
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by Dirty Nuke Bomb Watch Guest on 28.08.2004 [13:06 ]
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United Irish Peoples Democratic Republic of Ireland.
1 — United Armed Forces command for wartime.
2 — Rotating Head of State for peacetime.
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by stopwar on 28.08.2004 [13:14 ]
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So what would happen to Ian Paisley, and his Southern Baptist protrestant credentials? Would he become an honarary citizen of Texas?
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by Dirty Nuke Bomb Watch Guest on 28.08.2004 [16:18 ]
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We are discussing turning Her Majesty's Kingdom into Independent
Republics English, Scottish, Welsh, United Ireland. Parliament of England would regulate affairs in England, Scottish in Scotland, Welsh in Wales and United Irish in United Ireland.
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by Internal Exile Guest on 29.08.2004 [02:00 ]
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While the bombing and the battles and the seiges go on, all the sound and fury oon the surface, the banks are quietly at work behind the scenes. They are able to work best in a country that lies in ruins. Any rebuilding that occurs has to be done with THEIR money. They finance all the new construction, the railroads, the communications, the sanitation systems, the schools and universities, the oil pipelines, the armed forces, the bureaucracy. Since they own the country's debt, they own the country.
The Rothschilds and the Bank of England still own Australia and Canada, and they still own the United States through their agents JP Morgan, Chase Manhattan, Citigroup, UBS Warburg — in short, the shareholders of the Federal Reserve. These banks hold the public debt of the United States, and they hold the private debt of the American people, through mortgages, car loans, student loans, and credit cards.
Back in the days of the East India Company, the British Navy took their orders from the Company, not the Crown. The British armed forces worked for the Company. Now, the marines work for the banks. Just read General Smedley Butler's memoirs. In the 1930's, Wall Street appointed General Butler to overthrow the U.S. government! He decided not to, and instead testified before Congress. (no indictments)
The International Monetary Fund is now established in Iraq (just like they are in Vietnam and Serbia). The American and British banks and the Israelis have already taken over Iraq's economy. The American boys and girls dying over there are the shock troops of the banks. It just makes me sick. They're killing and dying, coming home full of depleted uranium and poisoned vaccines, a lot of them know that they can't ever have children because they'll be deformed. It just breaks my heart. One generation of Americans after another is destroyed by these monsters, for their financial gain. They use us like a parasite uses a host — they will feed off us until we are terminally weak, then they will move on. Who's their next host? Is anyone left for them to suck dry?
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by stopwar Guest on 29.08.2004 [14:00 ]
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Why don't we just stop using them? Or use a more "ethical" financial institution (if there is one!) to handle our affairs?
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