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17 US soldiers captured by Mahdi Army in Basra (not confirmed yet)
By: Seele on: 25.03.2008 [22:53 ] (8845 reads)
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Hell now loose in southern Iraq ?
17 US soldiers said captured by Mahdi army but news still pending for confirmation
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Mar 25, 2008
News: Mahdi Army arrested 17 American soldiers……Update……
Reported, Abu Al-Khasib another city close to Basra, now under Mahdi Army control, Iraqi government calls special forces from Karbala led by Maliki’s “brothers in law” to move to Basra.
…….End update…..
Just reported from Alwasatonline reporter in Basra, Mahdi Army managed to arrest 17 American soldiers, and seizes 7 hammer military vehicles, because of these developments the Iraqi government offered to negotiates with MA but Muqtada Al-Sadr refused any negotiations, also 250 Iraqi soldiers gave themselves up to Mahdi Army.
Key bridge, connecting Basra city to Al-Kurnah is destroyed by Mahdi Army.
Sotaliraq reported that Maliki refused to meet Basra’s mayor “Mohammad Al-Walili (from Al-Fadhilah Party), the mayor threaten if he removed from his position as mayor he will burn all the oil wells around Basra.
There is also reports about American warplanes involvement in the fights, and the Green Zone was bombed again at 8 O’clock p.
There are fighting in Al-Shurta neighborhood in Baghdad in the Karkh part (East, across the river)
http://www.roadstoiraq.com/2008/03/25/news-mahdi-army-arrested-17-american-soldiers
by MADMAX on 26.03.2008 [06:57 ]
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Well, I hope they don't get the same treatment that has been dished out to the innocent Iraqis from 'driller killers' and other torturers!!!
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by Legolas_Greenleaf on 26.03.2008 [07:26 ]
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and FEDEX them to Olmert.
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by gazza on 26.03.2008 [08:43 ]
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Go to Iraq as a soldier at your own risk . The Geneva convention is dead : so say the US administration , therefore the prisoners should not be treated as normal prisoners but extended the same treatment the US occupation forces dished out in Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo = torture and death . One eye for one eye is the rule now and on TV excecutions to advertize the dangers for the US occupation forces .
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by CanadianPeaceWarrior on 26.03.2008 [09:20 ]
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Then piss on their filthy flesh.
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by laertes on 26.03.2008 [09:23 ]
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Since the US themselves have said clearly that they don't respect the Geneva convention - others are not bound by it when Americans are captured. I still think it is not right to use torture on soldiers, though, but since Dick Cheney and the other bandits in Washington say that waterboarding is not torture, it is time to have a try on them . Tell them that all the captured US (civilians as well as soldiers- the US don't make a distinction in this matter themselves) will be test-waterboarded until Cheney & co. are extradited to be the main waterboard subjects.- On World TV, of course- with objects first put into their mouths for the world to see like they did with Saddam. Time to get the scores right!
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by askatasuna on 26.03.2008 [09:58 ]
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Waterboard! Waterboard!, anyhow, USans love extreme sports dont they??
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by balkandog on 26.03.2008 [10:39 ]
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W A T E R B O A R D!!!! W A T E R B O A R D!!!! W A T E R B O A R D!!!!
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by BlackPanther on 26.03.2008 [10:47 ]
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After the waterboard, they can give the US soldiers a taste of a favorite British torture tactic used against Iraqis: the Forklift.
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by phil_s66 on 26.03.2008 [11:46 ]
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what is good for the goose is good for the gander. These baby killers have probably murdered/raped/tortured for sure/looted/stolen/destroyed/humiliated/kidnapped and on and on against Iraq and its good people.
These so called soldiers of America in truth mercs in every true sense of the word, deserve no mercy, none is ever given to Iraqs people. I hope this is true and they have captured 17 zionist controlled dick sucking pigs.
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by ILYANA_ROZUMOVA on 26.03.2008 [11:50 ]
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I add? Not much!
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by makarov on 26.03.2008 [12:06 ]
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In combination with barrages on Green Zone it definitely means that Shi'a finally join the struggle!
These are perhaps the BEST news ever since the occupation of Iraq!
Down with the sectarian tensions! Long Live the Great People of Iraq!
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by askatasuna on 26.03.2008 [17:13 ]
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Well, they read your thoughts mate :P but you said "kidnap 5+"... they took (if its confirmed) 17!!! :P
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by cosmo on 26.03.2008 [17:26 ]
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if they are real Zionist idiot USans or just getting their greencard call.
Investigate their family history make Videos post on Youtube and all over the place and then do whatever is necessary to Punish the SOBs with full throttle.
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by picard-fortune-500 on 26.03.2008 [17:27 ]
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admit to this even if it is true. It's too devasting a blow to morale. If these 17 are executed they'll just be put on the missing in action list.
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by gmmonko on 26.03.2008 [19:31 ]
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Long live Al Sadr.
We in the West are also sick and tired of the United States facists.
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by austrian on 26.03.2008 [19:38 ]
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are captured by the Mahdi army?
Can anyone acknowledge this?
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by _merk_ on 26.03.2008 [20:42 ]
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The entire Green Zone is Mahdi army's captive!!! :>
Hopefully, there are also many foreign visitors there so that the US can bomb themselves AND their suckups. Bwhahaha.
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by djandjolik on 26.03.2008 [20:43 ]
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murderer from American jail who were gave leniency by their willingness of going to Iraq as soldier and have a freedom to do anything they want.
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by onevoiceofreason on 26.03.2008 [22:16 ]
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WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE STRONG NOT A COWARD LIKE RON PAUL IN THE WHITE HOUSE
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by onevoiceofreason on 26.03.2008 [22:17 ]
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WE NEED MCCAIN, NOT A COWARDLY ISOLATIONALIST LIKE RON PAUL AS PRESIDENT..GO GET THESE TERRORISTS
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by patriaaustria on 26.03.2008 [22:29 ]
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you mean MCINSANE,U must be a paranoid schizophrenic ASSHOLE!
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by _merk_ on 26.03.2008 [22:37 ]
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I thought Ron Paul died recently and McCain has been dead for years. Thank you for stopping by and setting things straight.
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by CANUKISTAN_VIEW on 26.03.2008 [22:49 ]
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SURE; they found the nuclear fuse missing AFTER 18 MONTHS!
WHY? because the USA stooges in Taiwan lost the election last week-end!
BUT THE MEDIA KEEP INFLATING THE OLD FART DALAI LAMA - the inspiration and stooge of the medieval slavery landlords in Asia!
WASHINGTON (AFP) - US President George W. Bush told his Chinese counterpart Hu Jintao Wednesday that the Pentagon made a "mistake" by sending Taiwan four nuclear warhead fuses in 2006, a top White House official said.
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Bush told Hu in a telephone calls "that a mistake had been made," national security advisor Stephen Hadley told reporters.
Hadley said the issue "came up very briefly" and that "there was very little discussion about it."
h ttp://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080326/wl_asia_afp/ustaiwandefensemissileschinabush;_ylt=A0WTcWU31.pHobkAAANvaA8F
WHERE IS ZIO-ZARKOZI ON THIS CRUCIAL ISSUE? OR BRWN? OR HARPER? OR MERKEL?
CRIMINALS AND IMMORALS!
GREAT WORK BROTHERS IN IRAK! it is your land, your civilization, your way of life, your future! FIGHT OTHERWISE the entire region will become like Incas, Mayas, Aztecas, Aymaras, Mapuches in South America! THEY LOST EVERYTHING FOR THE LAST FIVE HUNDRED YEARS!
CHEERS FROM CANADA - PEACE PEACE
@onevoiceofreason
Your patriot U'McCain already kissed his masters ass during his trip to Israhell zionists! AND JOE LIBERMAN IS THAT WATCHMAN that keep on on him every where he goes! WAKE IDIOT OR JUST GO TO HELL!
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by Shame on 26.03.2008 [23:00 ]
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A Century in Iraq, Replacing UN with "League of Democracies," Rogue State Rollback? A Look at John McCain's Foreign Policy Vision
We speak with investigative reporter Robert Dreyfuss about Senator John McCain’s vision for foreign policy. “McCain is drawing up plans for a new set of global institutions,” Dreyfuss writes, “from a potent covert operations unit to a ‘League of Democracies’ that can bypass the balky United Nations, from an expanded NATO that will bump up
against Russian interests in Central Asia and the Caucasus to a revived US unilateralism that will engage in ‘rogue state rollback’ against his version of the ‘axis of evil.’ In all, it’s a new apparatus designed to carry the ‘war on terror’ deep into the twenty-first century.”
"global illusion"
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by _merk_ on 26.03.2008 [23:20 ]
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visiting the Green Zone at this time ... members of the Bundestag sent there to carry home news of the tremendous positive changes the US has accomplished with their surge. LMAO. Spiegel.de reports that the delegation has been evacuated from their hotel in the GZ and asked to hide in the US Embassy instead. They report that the Americans are pretending they are NOT in danger or under fire while, at the same time, shouting orders to DUCK and TAKE COVER at their guests. There is panic and danger in the Green Zone but the media here doesn't cover it. The German delegation is breaking off its visit prematurely and will be evacuated from the Green Zone tomorrow.
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by _merk_ on 26.03.2008 [23:24 ]
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if this keeps up, his running on a 'vastly improved Iraq and more war is good' will do him in. Told ya he's been dead for years.
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by Ronnie on 27.03.2008 [01:02 ]
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I came upon this thread by accident. And I am disgusted with the comments from you people. You are advocating human beings having their heads cut off and other things. I could care less if you disagree with the war. I do as well. But to hear this HATE coming from you people makes YOU just as bad, if not WORSE then Bush. I feel sorry for you people and I feel sorry for the human race with people like you helping make up that race. Shame on you......
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by CANUKISTAN_VIEW on 27.03.2008 [01:23 ]
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perhaps by accident you should have been here too! GTFO2H Okay?
CHEERS
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by Celtic on 27.03.2008 [01:31 ]
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I hope its true but lets be honest, the ex-Iraqi military resistance have not been able to capture large groups of US troops since the invasion in March 03 so I doubt the ability of less well trained Shiite militias to do so. And even if the US has troops in Basra, that is very unusual in itself, since the puppet regime is supposed to be 'in control' after the Brits retreated last year. And now we're hearing of a British soldier killed in Baghdad?? Was he on his way to plant bombs in a market place I wonder. All in all though, if Al Sadrs men can hold on to their gains, this is a major slap in the face of the 'our surge is working' Zionists.
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by dit on 27.03.2008 [01:49 ]
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before I say anything else.
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by Ronnie on 27.03.2008 [01:52 ]
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I feel pity for you, you are a pathetic little man with so much hate in his heart for himself that he is willing to project that hate unto his fellow man by looking for revenge for being born. Sad......
Life is too short for so much hate, what hope is their for a species that acts like this? What does the future of Man/Woman kind look like with hateful, ugly people like you? You are vile person.
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by askatasuna on 27.03.2008 [02:20 ]
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no offense but I dont think you have an idea of what is going on in your home planet called Earth. The big lie this society of ours is. How harm has been inflicted to millions and millions of men, women and kids. What you eat, what you watch, what you listen, what you feel, your ethics, how all this and more has been tampered with. you are just another model. You are a number and you have a designed place in society. It is the kind of people like you that will bring these entire planet to its knees. you need to fucking wake up man.
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by _merk_ on 27.03.2008 [02:38 ]
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it must be painful for a brainwashed Amurkan to accidentally come across this site and realize what people around the globe really think of you. AND "real" free speech! Bet you don't even know what that is like anymore what with all the imaginary terrarists having forced your fascist leadersstrip you of your rights. Hope you delicate heart survives this experience!! Of course, I'm being sarcastic .. I'd better point that out to you because I know you're so convinced of your " inborn american moral superiority and niceness" {barf} that sarcasm won't ever show on your radar. You can stay, read through the threads and archives and open your mind — or fuck off.
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by _merk_ on 27.03.2008 [02:45 ]
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they do that too, but I meant "leaders" (a/k/a fuehrers)
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by stоpwar on 27.03.2008 [02:57 ]
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I don't like that sort of talk either, but there are a lot of very angry people out there... and that is sometimes the kneejerk reaction whenever a few of the "coalition of the killing" get a taste of their own medicine. As askatasuna has said, you need to wake up to the atrocities commited in places like Afghanistan and Iraq in your name and my name.
And echoing _merk_... stick around...
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by Crack_Smoke_Republican on 27.03.2008 [03:34 ]
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is that they can't see themselves as "Captured". They always think, "if I'm captured we'll get out of it...". The US military in Iraq is a lot like the Crusades in terms of savagery. Innocence and depravity among US soldiers cannot be held in balance for the purpose of the mission...since the mission was set by corrupt Jew NeoCons and their weak puppets. Like the Crusaders at Maarat.... the US Military finds itself short of morals ever since this immoral war was launched by Zionist Jews and their puppets. The US military is now starving in the desert and many will die as they march for Jerusalem.
Maarat was not as rich as the crusaders had hoped and they were still short of supplies and food as December progressed. Most of the soldiers and knights preferred to continue the march to Jerusalem, caring little for the political dispute between Bohemond and Raymond, and Raymond tried to buy the support of the other leaders. While the leaders negotiated away from the city, some of the starving crusaders at Maarat resorted to cannibalism, feeding on the dead bodies of Muslims.
A year after the event, one of the crusader commanders would write to Pope Urban II, explaining their actions as compelled by the lack of food:
"A terrible famine racked the army in Ma'arra, and placed it in the cruel necessity of feeding itself upon the bodies of the Saracens."
The Crusaders committed numerous atrocities against Muslim populations: mass executions, throwing of the heads of Muslim over besieged cities, exhibition and mutilation of naked Muslim cadavers, or cannibalism as in the 1098 Siege of Maarat.
The Crusaders committed numerous atrocities against Muslim populations: mass executions, throwing of the heads of Muslim over besieged cities, exhibition and mutilation of naked Muslim cadavers, or cannibalism as in the 1098 Siege of Maarat.1
Other chroniclers, such as Radulph of Caen, who participated to the siege of Maarat, describe such scenes without a hint of moral justification:
"In Ma'arra our troops boiled pagan adults in cooking-pots; they impaled children on spits and devoured them grilled."
The crusaders also began destroying Maarat's fortifications, forcing Raymond to finally agree to continue the march south.
Legacy
Those events had a strong impact on the local inhabitants of Middle East. The Crusaders already had a reputation for cruelty and barbarism towards Muslims, Jews and even Orthodox Christians (the Crusades began shortly after the Great Schism of 1054). Crusaders are still referred as "cannibals" in many Middle Eastern languages and even centuries later their image as fanatical cannibals was alive in Arabic literature. Many authors suggest that the crusaders' behaviour was not really born of their hunger but fanatical belief that the Muslims were even lower than the animals. Albert of Aix remarked that "the Christians did not shrink from eating not only killed Turks or Saracens, but even dogs..."2
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by Tess101 on 27.03.2008 [03:41 ]
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As an ex-military Officer I am appauld by your lack of intelligents. The majority of military personnel and their families/wifes want this mess overwith. We want our troops home, and John McCain wants to keep our troops in Iraq and the middle east forever. I surely hope you are not serious, because Ron Paul is the best man for our Country and the majority of our troops and their families agree with Ron Paul's stance on a Humble foreign policy and a strong military defense, but the defense needs to be here at home, not overseas in a Sand box. Obviously, you Onevoiceofreason have never served your military or you would know the truth. I am in my 50's and I personally know what happened in Vietnam, it is no different than what is going on in Iraq. The big war machine is making money ie..(Haliburton, GE, OUR Government, the Politicians, Black Water) , and our troops and their families are paying the price with their lives, and the loss of their drindling paychecks, and benefits that are being past on to the big government profiteers, and the rebuilding of Iraq after we tore the Iraqi country apart, the country that had no WMD period.
Onevoiceofreason, stop sticking your head in the sand with George Bush and McCain please, and listen to one military soldier that is telling you point blank you are very wrong. Ron Paul is the only hope for America period.
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by dit on 27.03.2008 [04:03 ]
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You wear your nick very well. Shame on you. Where have you been when in your name all the atrocities have been commited by your GIs? All the rapes, the tortures, the killings of the innocents that have been carried out by the GIs and I never remember seeing you post here until now? I highly respect Canukstin_View and I object at your calling him names. I'll give you a hint: don't come here to defend the torturers, murderers, and child rapists.
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by dit on 27.03.2008 [04:21 ]
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Sorry Shame. cam mod remove post "by dit on 27.03.2008 05:03 "
@Ronnie
Where have you been when in your name all the atrocities have been commited by your GIs? All the rapes, the tortures, the killings of the innocents that have been carried out by the GIs and I never remember seeing you post here until now? I highly respect Canukstin_View and I object at your calling him names. I'll give you a hint: don't come here to defend the torturers, murderers, and child rapists.
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by dit on 27.03.2008 [04:22 ]
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Sorry Shame. PLEASE REMOVE POST "by dit on 27.03.2008 05:03 "
@Ronnie
Where have you been when in your name all the atrocities have been commited by your GIs? All the rapes, the tortures, the killings of the innocents that have been carried out by the GIs and I never remember seeing you post here until now? I highly respect Canukstin_View and I object at your calling him names. I'll give you a hint: don't come here to defend the torturers, murderers, and child rapists.
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by Draco_Annie on 27.03.2008 [04:34 ]
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Do the same thing to those US soldiers that was done in Somalia: it's the only way to get them out of Irak!
Go IR go!
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by Draco_Annie on 27.03.2008 [04:43 ]
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... we see all the apologies from the US soldiers. Anyone read/listened to the Winter Soldiers' horrific tales, on how they enjoyed killing babies, luring children to harm and kill them, mass-murdering innocent civilians and gang-raping 14 year old girls then killing them? They think if they talk about it, the nightmares will go away. And they blame their leaders, HA HA and bloody HA!
I hope this news is confirmed and gets in the MSM asap, but I know I'm only dreaming. They'll find a way to twist the story if they ever do talk about it.
Anyway, I'm glad the Iraki Resistance is still alive. They're showing us how to behave if no, when we, in our turn, are military aggressed by bullies who think they run the world.
Grrr....
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by MOkesum on 27.03.2008 [06:00 ]
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I'm an American, and though I have never served in uniform, I have many friends in various branches of service. None of them are convicted murders let out of prison to go to Iraq, as someone alleged. All of them are either married with children, or else joined the army because of the promise of a college education once their tours were over. They're not monsters anymore than the guys who killed Daniel Perle, or the ones who crippled my buddy in Ramadi. He didn't even want to be there, but as a soldier, it was his job to follow orders.
I've been reading posts on here for a long time, but I feel compelled to reply to this one. I've been against the war from the start, but the disgusting sentiments that I hear from you people are appaling. An eye for an eye? Remember, an eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind. Statements like yours do nothing but get the American war machine rolling. In no way am I supporting what is going on over there, because although CNN won't report it, I read enough online to know what is really happening.
I don't even know if this report is true. But if it is, and anything happens to these 17 young men, the people of Iraq have seen nothing yet.
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by stоpwar on 27.03.2008 [06:39 ]
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If you've been here for a long time, you'll know that I am against violence. Couldn't agree more with "an eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind". Yet you contradict yourself completely with that last sentence. People aren't born monsters, but the influence of others certainly has the capacity to make them so.
I remember having a long conversation with a USAn friend immediately after 9/11 - also a Buddhist. She said that it didn't matter how much other nations suckered up to the US (referring to Blair & Chirac I think) they would exact their revenge, and many of the USAn people would expect them to do so. I was shocked to hear that because for the previous four years I'd been chatting away to USAns on the Internet and thought they were such nice people.
The difference between the US and the UK (which is currently taking us apart as peoples I think) is that Brits, on the whole, respect the Iraqi people. I didn't agree with the war, but those that did want to win "hearts and minds" and - however naive that may have been - they hoped for no civilian casualties and a complete pull out within three months. Within one day of the start of war "Shock and Awe" had put an end to any hope that the US govt shared our values.
Your final comment reminds me of the com ents about "making Iraqis glow in the dark", and suggests that USAns think of them as little more than savages. I really hope the coming of Obama brings about a cultural change.
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by RoyalAssassin on 27.03.2008 [07:27 ]
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The first thoughts that arise is "Let their blood drip!" If you live by the sword, then the least you expect is to die by the sword. In saying that I hope Al Sadr takes the moral High ground and treats the captured with the respect the americans lack! These captured are just mind slaves doing the work of there masters. There is no gain in doing to them what they have done to you! the gain is made when you accept the evil that has occured but have the strength to not be ruled by the anger that evil causes. When they are ignorant with there pride and blinded by there freedom to do evil.
When a wrong has been done to the people the real man feels pain for them, it is only natural for men to seek revenge on those who have done them harm as it is natural for a man to defend his family his pride and his nation.
Where are the wise men of the west, where is the voice of reason? Do the crys of the fools distract so much? that the words of the wise are drowned out?.
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by austrian on 27.03.2008 [07:29 ]
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in other publications.
I believe it was a lie.
:-((((
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by Syrian on 27.03.2008 [07:37 ]
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I slightly doubt this news as no further confirmation from other sources have come. I will reserve comments until such a confirmation arrives.
I will however comment on the influx of new users.
Browsing through trash like MOkesum, it seems that these "hawkish" USAn apes haven't changed one bit. stopwar, what makes you thinking selecting another leader will make them any different? These apes will never change. Those who are still human who live in the USA are slowly realising this and leaving forever. One of those people are Michael Rivero, he's announced that he's going to leave "while he still can".
People who have come on like Tess101 shows that there are still good people amongst them. Unfortunately their voice is not heard by the general populace.
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by Seele on 27.03.2008 [12:32 ]
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regardless if above news isfake ornot that the US & Maliki have serious problems with destroying Jaish al Mahdi. Whatever the beneath NYT article makes me think. NTY saysit will be 'embarrasing for US if Mahdi army wins in Basrah'. So if NYT says this then i guess that its two blade US tactic. Because if Mahdi wins US has execuse to stay in Iraq longer and if it loses US & Maliiki have one foe less in
Iraq.
h ttp://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/27/world/middleeast/27iraq.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
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by Republicae on 27.03.2008 [12:57 ]
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I would probably surpise many people to know that our government has, in one way or another, intervened in the affairs of Iraq for the last 87 years...boy have we gotten some good results! Wouldn't you say?
In fact, this country, with its interventionist policies, has intervened in the affairs of over 200 countries over the last 110 years. Look around at the world that WE have created for ourselves.
If the policy of interventionism worked so well, one would think that we would have seen much better results of such a policy by now however, the results have been a financial draining of the American economy, a total instability around the world and insecurity here at home. Our military is stretched around the globe so thin that it is not preforming its primary and only function which is to DEFEND AMERICA FIRST AND FOREMOST!
Threats are now fabricated, exploited and amplified beyond reality to enjoin the sentiments of the population to support intervention and war, but the costs are much higher than we realize or wish to admit to ourselves. Many of the consequences are not immediate and therein are the real danger, for the fabric of history is changed by our actions and unbeknown to us at the time, our own future is changed in ways we cannot conceive.
World War I is a perfect example of the fabric of history being altered by our intervention into the war. At the time of the entry of the United States, both sides of the conflict we rapidly depleting their resources, drained of their ability to wage war and ready to sue for peace. The war to end all wars could have had a totally different outcome had the United States refrained from listening to our domestic war drummers and those who would eventually benefit from our entry into the conflict. Besides the actual monetary costs of the war, the social cost is hard to comprehend in our present time; whole societal influences were altered beyond recognition. Empires were broken apart, new nations were born from the despair and national influences were morphed into artificial boundaries. The war set the stage for not only the eventual break-up of the British Empire, but the generation of ethnic and religious sectarianism that had been more or less subdued under the old order. Most of the nations within the region were devastated for over a generation and such devastation helped set the stage for the massive struggle called WWII.
We rarely think of the differences in the world had we not been pushed into war by the war propagandist, profiteers and political influence peddlers. If we had not entered the war, both sides would have settled back into a world, while scared, would have been far safer than the one our victory created. Upon our victory, the fabric of history was severely distorted, everything changed and the balance of power shifted enormously. With victory came the end of the German, Austro-Hungarian, Russian and Ottoman Empires; this led to the formation of entirely new countries throughout Europe and the Middle East. It also marked a great transference of colonies into the hands of other colonialist powers, just as oppressive as the former masters.
With that victory came some of the harshest war reparations visited upon a defeated nation. Germany and its allies became subjugated to the wrath of the victors and under that wrath were sown the seeds of a future dictator who exploited the humiliation of Germany into a cause of extreme nationalistic pride and a taste for revenge.
The stage that Hitler exploited would have never been set had the United States remained neutral, as it should have, during the latter part of the war. The powers involved would have been forced into a peace agreement due to each side’s inability to provide resources to maintain their respective war efforts. The world that was would have slumbered back into its decaying imperialism, eventually giving way to a natural evolution of nationalities and newly formed nations. The artificial borders created in the Middle East by the breakup of the Ottoman Empire would have been less likely to have been the future cause of continual conflict and strife as it is today.
Imagine for instance, for a moment, if you will, the world without Hitler. Certainly, this is pure supposition, but when you consider the possibilities what that the one act of U.S. intervention nearing the end of WWI did and how it drastically altered the weave of history, the conclusion that the world would be a very different place is more than a flight of fancy. As stated earlier, a lonely, dejected artist named Adolf Hitler would have had no fuel for his nationalistic incitements, Germany would have gradually reentered the community of nations and WWI, as we know it, would have never happened. Think of it, the European Jews and all their culture would have continued to flourish; there would have been no concentration camps, no gas chambers and 6 million Jews would have lived to propagate their lineage. The creation of the State of Israel would have never been forcefully imposed upon the Muslim nations of the Middle East and thus the current conflict would not exist in its present form.
The British would have never gained control over vast regions of the Middle East, and the imposition of artificial borders throughout the area would not be the cause of numerous ethnic disturbances over territories. Although the nationalistic fever began to sweep throughout the region during the late 19th Century, that fever was only amplified by the early 20th Century events of WWI.
The Soviet Union would have never had the opportunity to impose the Iron Curtain over Eastern Europe without the events of WWII. The massive arms race, the nuclear threat and cold war would have had no stage on which to form and the incredible waste in manpower and funds would have been averted into more productive avenues. There are enough examples of the unintended consequences of our actions to fill volumes on the subject.
Interventions always have consequences and we rarely have the foresight to determine if those consequences produce far more danger than if the interventions never occur in the first place. The leaders of this country must once again regain the wisdom of the Founders and refrain from the use of intervention an ideological tool. We must come to understand that such interventions have the potential of drastically changing not only the fabric of our history, but also the fabric of our future. It has been proven that we have lacked that wisdom over the decades; it is time to stop the course that leads to dangerous unintentional consequences.
UNTIL WE PUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THIS NATION BEFORE THE FOOLISH POLICIES CRAFTED AND CREATED BY POLITICIANS WHO HAVE BEEN BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY SPECIAL INTERESTS, WE WILL CONTINUE TO SUFFER AT THE HANDS OF IDIOTS!
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by _merk_ on 27.03.2008 [13:05 ]
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"All of them are either married with children, or else joined the army because of the promise of a college education once their tours were over."
Almost anybody can make children. And anyone smart enough to go to college knows that he is going to kill innocent people to get his hands on come college money. US is waging a war of aggression, after all.
This is good? This absolves your friends? Only in Amurka. The rest of the world knows better and hates you a little more each day .. as you learned on this site.
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