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Spiegel Interview With Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
By: AP on: 30.05.2006 [21:05 ] (2735 reads)
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"We Are Determined"
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SPIEGEL INTERVIEW WITH IRANIAN PRESIDENT MAHMOUD AHMADINEJAD
"We Are Determined"
In an interview with SPIEGEL, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad discusses the Holocaust, the future of the state of Israel, mistakes made by the United States in Iraq and Tehran's nuclear conflict with the West.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: "By siding with Iran, the Europeans would serve their own and our interests."
SPIEGEL: Mr. President, you are a soccer fan and you like to play soccer. Will you be sitting in the stadium in Nuremberg on June 11, when the Iranian national team plays against Mexico in Germany?
Ahmadinejad: It depends. Naturally, I'll be watching the game in any case. I don't know yet whether I'll be at home in front of the television set or somewhere else. My decision depends upon a number of things.
SPIEGEL: For example?
Ahmadinejad: How much time I have, how the state of various relationships are going, whether I feel like it and a number of other things.
SPIEGEL: There was great indignation in Germany when it became known that you might be coming to the soccer world championship. Did that surprise you?
Ahmadinejad: No, that's not important. I didn't even understand how that came about. It also had no meaning for me. I don't know what all the excitement is about.
SPIEGEL: It concerned your remarks about the Holocaust. It was inevitable that the Iranian president's denial of the systematic murder of the Jews by the Germans would trigger outrage.
Ahmadinejad: I don't exactly understand the connection.
SPIEGEL: First you make your remarks about the Holocaust. Then comes the news that you may travel to Germany — this causes an uproar. So you were surprised after all?
Ahmadinejad: No, not at all, because the network of Zionism is very active around the world, in Europe too. So I wasn't surprised. We were addressing the German people. We have nothing to do with Zionists.
SPIEGEL: Denying the Holocaust is punishable in Germany. Are you indifferent when confronted with so much outrage?
Ahmadinejad: I know that DER SPIEGEL is a respected magazine. But I don't know whether it is possible for you to publish the truth about the Holocaust. Are you permitted to write everything about it?
SPIEGEL: Of course we are entitled to write about the findings of the past 60 years' historical research. In our view there is no doubt that the Germans — unfortunately — bear the guilt for the murder of 6 million Jews.
Ahmadinejad: Well, then we have stirred up a very concrete discussion. We are posing two very clear questions. The first is: Did the Holocaust actually take place? You answer this question in the affirmative. So, the second question is: Whose fault was it? The answer to that has to be found in Europe and not in Palestine. It is perfectly clear: If the Holocaust took place in Europe, one also has to find the answer to it in Europe.
On the other hand, if the Holocaust didn't take place, why then did this regime of occupation ...
SPIEGEL: ... You mean the state of Israel...
Ahmadinejad: ... come about? Why do the European countries commit themselves to defending this regime? Permit me to make one more point. We are of the opinion that, if an historical occurrence conforms to the truth, this truth will be revealed all the more clearly if there is more research into it and more discussion about it.
SPIEGEL: That has long since happened in Germany.
Ahmadinejad: We don't want to confirm or deny the Holocaust. We oppose every type of crime against any people. But we want to know whether this crime actually took place or not. If it did, then those who bear the responsibility for it have to be punished, and not the Palestinians. Why isn't research into a deed that occurred 60 years ago permitted? After all, other historical occurrences, some of which lie several thousand years in the past, are open to research, and even the governments support this.
SPIEGEL: Mr. President, with all due respect, the Holocaust occurred, there were concentration camps, there are dossiers on the extermination of the Jews, there has been a great deal of research, and there is neither the slightest doubt about the Holocaust nor about the fact - we greatly regret this - that the Germans are responsible for it. If we may now add one remark: the fate of the Palestinians is an entirely different issue, and this brings us into the present.
Ahmadinejad: No, no, the roots of the Palestinian conflict must be sought in history. The Holocaust and Palestine are directly connected with one another. And if the Holocaust actually occurred, then you should permit impartial groups from the whole world to research this. Why do you restrict the research to a certain group? Of course, I don't mean you, but rather the European governments.
SPIEGEL: Are you still saying that the Holocaust is just "a myth?"
Ahmadinejad: I will only accept something as truth if I am actually convinced of it.
SPIEGEL: Even though no Western scholars harbor any doubt about the Holocaust?
Ahmadinejad: But there are two opinions on this in Europe. One group of scholars or persons, most of them politically motivated, say the Holocaust occurred. Then there is the group of scholars who represent the opposite position and have therefore been imprisoned for the most part. Hence, an impartial group has to come together to investigate and to render an opinion on this very important subject, because the clarification of this issue will contribute to the solution of global problems. Under the pretext of the Holocaust, a very strong polarization has taken place in the world and fronts have been formed. It would therefore be very good if an international and impartial group looked into the matter in order to clarify it once and for all. Normally, governments promote and support the work of researchers on historical events and do not put them in prison.
SPIEGEL: Who is that supposed to be? Which researchers do you mean?
Ahmadinejad: You would know this better than I; you have the list. There are people from England, from Germany, France and from Australia.
SPIEGEL: You presumably mean, for example, the Englishman David Irving, the German-Canadian Ernst Zündel, who is on trial in Mannheim, and the Frenchman Georges Theil, all of whom deny the Holocaust.
Ahmadinejad: The mere fact that my comments have caused such strong protests, although I'm not a European, and also the fact that I have been compared with certain persons in German history indicates how charged with conflict the atmosphere for research is in your country. Here in Iran you needn't worry.
SPIEGEL: Well, we are conducting this historical debate with you for a very timely purpose. Are you questioning Israel's right to exist?
Ahmadinejad: Look here, my views are quite clear. We are saying that if the Holocaust occurred, then Europe must draw the consequences and that it is not Palestine that should pay the price for it. If it did not occur, then the Jews have to go back to where they came from. I believe that the German people today are also prisoners of the Holocaust. Sixty million people died in the Second World War. World War II was a gigantic crime. We condemn it all. We are against bloodshed, regardless of whether a crime was committed against a Muslim or against a Christian or a Jew. But the question is: Why among these 60 million victims are only the Jews the center of attention?
SPIEGEL: That's just not the case. All peoples mourn the victims claimed by the Second World War, Germans and Russians and Poles and others as well. Yet, we as Germans cannot absolve ourselves of a special guilt, namely for the systematic murder of the Jews. But perhaps we should now move on to the next subject.
Ahmadinejad: No, I have a question for you. What kind of a role did today's youth play in World War II?
SPIEGEL: None.
Ahmadinejad: Why should they have feelings of guilt toward Zionists? Why should the costs of the Zionists be paid out of their pockets? If people committed crimes in the past, then they would have to have been tried 60 years ago. End of story! Why must the German people be humiliated today because a group of people committed crimes in the name of the Germans during the course of history?
SPIEGEL: The German people today can't do anything about it. But there is a sort of collective shame for those deeds done in the German name by our fathers or grandfathers.
Ahmadinejad: How can a person who wasn't even alive at the time be held legally responsible?
SPIEGEL: Not legally but morally.
Ahmadinejad: Why is such a burden heaped on the German people? The German people of today bear no guilt. Why are the German people not permitted the right to defend themselves? Why are the crimes of one group emphasized so greatly, instead of highlighting the great German cultural heritage? Why should the Germans not have the right to express their opinion freely?
SPIEGEL: Mr. President, we are well aware that German history is not made up of only the 12 years of the Third Reich. Nevertheless, we have to accept that horrible crimes have been committed in the German name. We also own up to this, and it is a great achievement of the Germans in post-war history that they have grappled critically with their past.
Ahmadinejad: Are you also prepared to tell that to the German people?
SPIEGEL: Oh yes, we do that.
Ahmadinejad: Then would you also permit an impartial group to ask the German people whether it shares your opinion? No people accepts its own humiliation.
SPIEGEL: All questions are allowed in our country. But of course there are right-wing radicals in Germany who are not only anti-Semitic, but xenophobic as well, and we do indeed consider them a threat.
Ahmadinejad: Let me ask you one thing: How much longer can this go on? How much longer do you think the German people have to accept being taken hostage by the Zionists? When will that end - in 20, 50, 1,000 years?
SPIEGEL: We can only speak for ourselves. DER SPIEGEL is nobody's hostage; SPIEGEL does not deal only with Germany's past and the Germans' crimes. We're not Israel's uncritical ally in the Palestian conflict. But we want to make one thing very clear: We are critical, we are independent, but we won't simply stand by without protest when the existential right of the state of Israel, where many Holocaust survivors live, is being questioned.
Ahmadinejad: Precisely that is our point. Why should you feel obliged to the Zionists? If there really had been a Holocaust, Israel ought to be located in Europe, not in Palestine.
SPIEGEL: Do you want to resettle a whole people 60 years after the end of the war?
Ahmadinejad: Five million Palestinians have not had a home for 60 years. It is amazing really: You have been paying reparations for the Holocaust for 60 years and will have to keep paying up for another 100 years. Why then is the fate of the Palestinians no issue here?
SPIEGEL: The Europeans support the Palestinians in many ways. After all, we also have an historic responsibility to help bring peace to this region finally. But don't you share that responsibility?
Ahmadinejad: Yes, but aggression, occupation and a repetition of the Holocaust won't bring peace. What we want is a sustainable peace. This means that we have to tackle the root of the problem. I am pleased to note that you are honest people and admit that you are obliged to support the Zionists.
SPIEGEL: That's not what we said, Mr. President.
Ahmadinejad: You said Israelis.
Next Page: Do you want nuclear weapons for your country?
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by Ondskan on 30.05.2006 [21:38 ]
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This was a very well written interview. I'm disappointed on the president that he didn't mention the fact that the Central Intelligence Agency knew about a possible atack way before it was comited.
Which would have strenghtened his position quite alot. Never the less, good questions, good answers and good comments by the interviewer and the president.
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by Econ on 30.05.2006 [22:21 ]
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It is amazing how the jewish profiteering holocaust hoax and extortion racket are being exposed.
Americans have become more skeptical of the alleged 6 million jews killed since there has been no physical evidence of such a crime.
Why are Americans taxed and their hard earned money sent to support lazy jews?
Americans had nothing to do with German atrocies how minor. Yet, you can find a holocust hoax museum in every city.
How was it all possible? How much fuel and how many ovens were requrired to kill 6 million peoole in a mere 2 years and not leave a trace when the bulk of the German Army was stuck in Stallingrad?
Well, the Germans turned the jewish ashes into soap and the soap washed away is the jewish response.
The jews, having destalized Germany in WWII agitating for the creation of the zionist entity, are now destablizing the US government.
The jews started their holocaust hoax in 1978 when they realized that they could not sustain themselves on stolen Palestinian land without German and Swiss reparations and American welfare.
Nobody wanted to buy the rotten vegetables grown on a kibbutz so the holocaust hoax became a clever jewish extortion racket.
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by Ondskan on 30.05.2006 [23:20 ]
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Why am I feeling that this news site is getting filled up with more fanatics as every day passes?...
"Americans have become more skeptical of the alleged 6 million jews killed since there has been no physical evidence of such a crime. "
Oh they have? Who says they have? Sources?
"Americans had nothing to do with German atrocies how minor. Yet, you can find a holocust hoax museum in every city"
Corporations always want to profit from disasters. As do museums.
Besides, it's not Americans taking the blame for what germany did. It's not like we are taking the blame of the meteor that killed 90% of earths species during the end of the dinosaur period. But we still have museums about it, to remember, learn and prevent such in future.
"How was it all possible? How much fuel and how many ovens were requrired to kill 6 million peoole in a mere 2 years and not leave a trace when the bulk of the German Army was stuck in Stallingrad? "
Uhm? There were traces: Pictures, starving people, stories from both communists, jews, political oponents and prisoners of war, gas chambers have been found and documents aswell.
The holocaust ain't a joke! It is reality and it is a cruel and dark part of human history. But what is indeed even sader is how Israel is using that part still even today to gain aid and support. To play the victim. While they are behaving like nazis against the Palestines.
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by Tet on 30.05.2006 [23:33 ]
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I just have a problem with the anti-semite who changed the plaque at Auschwitz from 4-million dead which was displayed there until 1989 to the now 1.5 million dead mainly jews that they display today. 2.5 million holocausted people who weren't holocausted, you'd think people would be glad to know. Yet the 6-million number remains the same, what's up with that? Peace.
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by the_jawbreaker_tenderpain on 30.05.2006 [23:46 ]
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American history is a glorified Holocaust.
Americans have "holidays" in memory of Columbus, a drunken mass murderer. A disgusting White Supremacist killer.
The Nazi's were White Supremacists.
The great Indian killer George Washington appears prominently on the dollar bill.
Any thoughts?
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by Ondskan on 30.05.2006 [23:51 ]
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@Tet.
Yeah, I didn't know about that! Please get some -official- sources on that if you can. But it doesn't really matter if it's "just" 3.5 million or 6 million or even just 1 million. What matters is the fact that it happend. And that it was a horrible tool to eradicate diveresety in humanity. (Sorry for my english, I can't bother spell checking atm).
@Jawbreaker.
That's kinda offtopic but yeah I agree with you. I don't think anyone here doesn't agree on the fact that the nation of USA is built on colonialism and still strives for the same goal.
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by Tet on 31.05.2006 [00:07 ]
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"What matters is the fact that it happend."
What happened exactly? 6-million, 3.5-million or 1-million? Now you're trying to confuse me aren't you?
I'll tell you what happened you anti-semetic piece of garbage, 6-million jews were gassed, many repeatedly and then they went through a bone crushing machine and were later burned-up in hundreds of ovens, with the last of the Reich oil so today there is no trace of them. You'd better stick with that story or you'll find yourself in prison you sick, racist piece of shit. Peace.
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by the_jawbreaker_tenderpain on 31.05.2006 [00:09 ]
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Ahmadinejad is shedding light on Western hypocrisy.
The same Western lunatics who condemn Ahmadinejad for "denying the Holocaust", glorify a Holocaust.
This is the topic. Hypocrisy.
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by the_jawbreaker_tenderpain on 31.05.2006 [00:13 ]
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Contrast your intense passion for Jews with your apologizing for US/UK
Corporate News.
LOL.
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by Tet on 31.05.2006 [00:23 ]
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Certainly the fact that the tattoos that were made on these poor defenseless jews only included six numeric digits can easily be explained. Some of you biggots think just because this number can only go up to 999,999 total jews that were brutally murdered means that the number of jews butchered was something less than exactly 6-million. This is simply not the case, the lying nazi's didn't start counting until after they had killed the first 999. Peace.
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by Tet on 31.05.2006 [00:59 ]
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The name of the guy who did the interview isn't given, I wonder why. Peace.
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by pdove on 31.05.2006 [01:16 ]
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while for others, killing millions = 1 pig.
Germany lost its spine after the war, hope they will ack what it did, but not more.
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by Mike-Malaysia on 31.05.2006 [02:00 ]
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Corporations always want to profit from disasters. - Doesn't make it right, nor does it answer why the Us has so many Holocaust museums. The UK has many cities as does Russia and China, why no holocau$t museums there? I think we know why the US pays alms to the Holocaust, becasue its political class is littered with Zionists.
Your unquestioning adoption of the standard line is rather laughable. The Holocaust museums have CONTRIBUTED to the holocaust inflicted upon the Palestinians!! Such museums serve the a purpose in trying to construct some sympathy or muteness for the crimes that the Palestinians have the indignity of bearing every single day.
Gas chambers may have been found, but many say their purpose was for delousing. I find that explanation very plausable. The camps were forced labour camps. YEs conditions were dire, Murder of Jews and others probably occured. German Industry was hit very hard during WW2. A fact exemplified buy the Dam Busters and the necessary massive exploitation of human resources to minimise industrial lag.
If the Nazis had a systematic plan of extermination, why bother to ship so many Jews (Poles, Gypsies etc) to these camps, use/waste gas on them and burn them? A highly costly affair. Pictures of starving people is not a proof of a systematic plan of extermination. Some stories (many of which emerges as holocaust theory was being developed, becoming publically known) are not credible. The throughput of the gas chambers is equally likely to be impossible. The stories of skin for lampshades were a lie as was the fat of Jews turned into soap a lie.
Why all these lies? What purpose did it serve? Why do people tolerate them? The tolerance of these lies is characteristic of people tolerance to the genocide meted out to the Palestinians. Challenging the lies are questions most never consider.
Re: 6m, 3.5, 1m. It DOES mater for the same reason the soap and lampshades lies matter. They server a politically motivated whose consequence is diabolical.
What about the census detailing the world population of Jews. The source has been mentioned on this site before, in summary says. Pre-war: 16m Jews. Post war 16m Jews. Impossible to have a sustained level if 6m were killed.
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by Econ on 31.05.2006 [02:06 ]
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h t t p://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2004/06/142586.php
THE DIMINISHING NUMBERS OF ALLEGED JEWISH DEAD IN AUSCHWITZ
h t t p://www.codoh.com/
THE TANGLED WEB
The Holocaust, Palestine and Israel: Revision, Denial and Myth
By Frank Scott
h t t p://theoccidentalquarterly.com/vol4no2/km-understandIII.html
Understanding Jewish Influence III: Neoconservatism as a Jewish Movement By Kevin MacDonald
h t t p://pubweb.northwestern.edu/~abutz/di/intro.html
A short introduction to the study of Holocaust revisionism,
by Arthur R. Butz.
A lengthier presentation of the ideas found here are in my 1982 article Context and Perspective in the "Holocaust" Controversy.
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ARTHUR R. BUTZ
h t t p ://pubweb.northwestern.edu/~abutz/di/context/context.html
h t t p://www.sustaincampaign.org
h t t p://www.stopwar.org.uk/
h t t p://www.cnionline.org/index
h t t p://www.freearabvoice.org/
h t t p://www.wrmea.com/
h t t p://electronicintifada.net/new.shtml
h t t p://www.adc.org/
h t t p://www.inminds.co.uk/boycott-israel.html
h t t p://www.nowarforisrael.com/
h t t p://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE150012003]
h t t p://www.ifamericansknew.org/]
h t t p:/www.pmwatch.org/pmw/snakebite/]
h t t p://www.ihr.org
h t t p://www.progressiveconvergence.com/nuclearfalseflagmail.htm
Israel, Iran, Mossad and a Nuclear False Flag Attack
by R. Leland Lehrman
Internet outflanks zionists' Maginot Line
by Greg Felton
h t t p:// usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/ 2522/
h t t p:// www.fpp.co.uk/online/03/11/JTA071103. html
In rare Jewish appearance, George Soros says Jews and Israel cause anti-Semitism By Uriel Heilman
h t t p://www.vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2004/03/122056.php
In order to perpetuate the holocaust legend, Jews must constantly hide the truth from the general public.
The ways of doing this are many and varied.
h t t p://www.counterpunch.org/green02282004.html]
Serving Two Flags: Neo-Cons, Israel and the Bush Administration
By STEPHEN GREEN
The Scale of the Carnage:Palestinian Misery in Perspective by By PAUL de ROOIJ
h t t p://www.counterpunch.org/rooij06032004.html]
h t t p://www.morelater.com/report/report.htm]
The latest horrors of the ethnic cleansing and genocide in Gaza, Palestine can be seen in the photo essay above.
How Israel profits from the status quo
by Guest on 04.10.2004 01:38
h t t p://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/AND204A.html
Israeli Roots of Hamas are being exposed
h t t p://www.prisonplanet.com/news_alert_hamas2.html
Analysis: Hamas history tied to Israel
h t t p://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/2004_08.html
The phony (Mossad) Al Qaeda Cell in Palestine
h t t p://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3482358
Al Qaida (Mossad) 'Duped Allies into Waging War'
h t t p://www.whatreallyhappened.com/alqaeda_nonentity.html
'al Qaeda': A Non-Entity Before 9/11
h t t p ://www.unobserver.com/index.php?pagina=layout4.php&id
=1940&blz=1
Palestine Monitor: URGENT APPEAL; STOP IMPENDING MASSACRE IN GAZA
h t t p ://www.ipc.gov.ps/ipc_e/ipc_e-1/e_News/news2004/2004_09/157.html
UN Expert: Israel’s Apartheid Wall Aims at Grabbing Palestinian Lands
h t t p://www.ifamericansknew.org/
If Americans Knew - what every American needs to know about Israel/Palestine
h t t p: //www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm#STRATEGIC
U.S. Financial Aid To Israel: Figures, Facts, and Impact
h t t p://www.wrmea.com/index.htm
AIPAC-Influenced Pro-Israel PAC Contributions
h t t p://www.rense.com/general62/hl.htm
Holocaust Literary Frauds
The Holocaust Industry
By Norman Finkelstein
Verso, New York, 2001 (2000)
'Hoaxers, Hucksters, and History' Pages 55-61
1-29-5
Articulating the key Holocaust dogmas, much of the literature on Hitler's Final Solution is worthless as scholarship. Indeed, the field of Holocaust studies is replete with nonsense, if not sheer fraud. Especially revealing is the cultural milieu that nurtures this Holocaust literature.
The first major Holocaust hoax was The Painted Bird, by Polish emigre Jerzy Kosinsky. In fact, Kosinsky conjured up almost all the pathological episodes he narrates. Finally exposed by an investigative newsweekly, Kosinski was still stoutly defended by the New York Times, which alleged that he was the victim of a Communist plot.
A more recent fraud, Binjamin Wilkomirski's Fragments, borrows promiscuously from the Holocaust kitsch of The Painted Bird.Half-fruitcake, half-mountebank, Wilkomirski, it turns out, spent the entire war in Switzerland. He is not even Jewish.
Source: h t t p://whatreallyhappened.com/]
UN Resolutions against Isreal
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by Mike-Malaysia on 31.05.2006 [03:14 ]
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Those references will be useful.
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by sealion on 31.05.2006 [06:01 ]
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ht tp://www.heretical.com/sheppard/frank.html
...Just like the 6 million Jews allegedly killed... I just wished it really made a bigger dent in the real numbers of Jews, but give or take 1/2 million, the numbers of Jews before and after the war were virtually the same, according to Jewish sources...
A case can be made for some 500,000 Jews dead of various causes, mainly typhus and malnutrition: millions of Poles and Russian civilians also died at about the same time, but neither Poland or Russia had the Zionist Propaganda machine and brazen Chutzpah to ransom the Germans, Swiss and Usans...
For that matter, the Usan killed/genocided some 1 million Iraqis, since they decided to turncoat on their former friend Saddam...
I always wonder with nostalgia how much better this world would be without all these blood sucking Zionists in Israhell, or even the genocidal Usans, for that matter?...
I wish all the best to Iran and really hope that they're not seeking to make atom bombs, because they already got the 250 nuke warheads missing from Ukraine...
ht tp://mailgate.supereva.com/soc/soc.culture.egyptian/msg152712.html
...around the same time they received the means of delivery: 12 KH-55 cruise missiles...
ht tp://www.spacedaily.com/news/missiles-05r.html
...And yes, they can be ground launched, just like the Mach 2.3 Sunburn missiles capable of sinking any US aircraft carrier that Iran also happen to have obtained: it's just a pity the US hasn't got the balls to find out how fast it would lose its entire 5th Fleet by attacking Iran...
ht tp://www.rense.com/general59/theSunburniransawesome.htm
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by Jodl on 31.05.2006 [07:15 ]
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i think somehow the germans shoudl learn how to speak from this iranians that dared to take their future in their hands. Germany should start building atomic weapons and deny the holocaust. They shoudl start to speak for themselves.
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by Yasis on 31.05.2006 [07:46 ]
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Above all, Germany must drive out all foreign troops from their soil.
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by Seele on 31.05.2006 [08:07 ]
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You say it doesn t matter is it were 1 mio 3,5 or 6 ? Of course from moral site it does not matter but see. Every 'holocaust surviver' and the best - also people that could proof (and even the proves were 50 % fakes ) that the had relatives which did by holocaust, got 150.000 DM (german mark) what is about 75.000 EUR. So do the math. 1 mio x 75.000 EUR = 75.000 (!) mio resp more than 75 bio $. And this is only the math for 1 surviver able to proof he had a relative killed in Holocaust. ( and of course if the could prove that relative died - enough when it truth it was by cancer or whatever - him blaming the Holocaust and the NAzi being responsible for that it was also accepted) So you can double or triple the above sum. And thats the math for 1 million jews killed.
But the zionists made 6 (!) mio jews out of it - can you imagine HOW MUCH MONEY these criminal have stolen from the german people already ???
And do you now understand why it matters so unbelievable, and why it is so important to figure out the right number of murdered, resp. if there were 1, 3,5 or 6 millions jews murdered ?
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by Seele on 31.05.2006 [08:14 ]
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In line 4 i must be:
'And this is only the math for 1 MIO (!) surviverS able to (..)'
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by Jodl on 31.05.2006 [08:22 ]
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they may stole 1000 times this much from the world, and for them it makes no difference... their curse upon them is to lose and bring death with this money, for them and the others, and at the end only dust and pain remains for them.
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by Tet on 31.05.2006 [16:40 ]
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Pope just confrimed.
POPE: HITLER ORDERED THE MASSACRE OF OVER 6 MILLION JEWS
"In the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp, like in other similar camps, Hitler" the Pope said "ordered the massacre of over 6 million Jews". By stressing the number of the victims of the Holocaust, Pope Benedict XVI somehow 'completed' the speech he delivered last Sunday in Auschwitz-Birkenau, where, he added, "about 150,000 Poles and tens of thousands of men and women of other nationalities died".
Now we all know a pope would never, never lie. Peace.
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 31.05.2006 [18:26 ]
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The rest of the interview is here:
h ttp://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,418660-2,00.html
Look at the kind of dirty questions that Spiegal asks:
"Iran doesn't need the bomb that it wants to build?" they ask even though Jad has said that Iran does not want the bomb.
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 31.05.2006 [18:27 ]
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The term "holocaust denial" is their term that they designed to distort the views of holocaust revision.
Revising details is not denial; but the Zionists want to blur that distinction.
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by Q' on 31.05.2006 [18:34 ]
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There are so many lies around the supposed holocausts as the fact the event occured in Eurpoe. Not mentioned victim are Germans, Polish, Russian to name a few.
People like Rudolp, Zundel exposed the lies behind the zionist version of holocausts leading them to be imprisonned.
BTW, wikipedia turned out to be zionsit when they tried to ban whatreallyhappened.com website.
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by CANUKISTAN_VIEW on 01.06.2006 [03:24 ]
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Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Churchil, Roosvelt, Truman, Hitler, Kissinger, Albright, Faith, Wolfowitz, Perle, Cheney, the pope Vojtila was another zionist jew. . .
@ONDSKAN: Numbers matters because the compensations are based on numbers of victims! THE GERMAN PEOPLE PAID OVER $ 55 BILLIONS TO THE JEWS BY 1990! I do not know what is the actual number! This parasits were after East Germany but they failed; then they went after the Swiss for scores of billions - I believe they got less than 10 billions! And so on,...
@JAW_BREAKER: CHRYSTOPHER COLON WAS A JEW! The archives are in Spain BUT BY LAW CANNOT BE PUBLISHED only read on site! ! ! ZIONISM AND GENOCIDES GOES A LONG WAY BACK! In the American continent a rough estimates for natives assesinated is SEVENTY MILLIONS!
@TET: The current pope WAS AN OFFICER DURING NAZI REGIME!
THANKS ALL FOR THE GREAT POSTINGS
CHEERS FROM CANADA - PEACE PEACE
AND BTW IT IS QUITE POSSIBLE THAT THE PERUVIAN ELECTION THIS WEEK END MAY BE ANOTHER GREAT NEWS AS OLLANTA HUMALA MAY WIN!
If Ollanta wins in Peru, USA will have only one dog in the Southern part of the continent area i.e. URIBE from Colombia! AND COLOMBIA IS POOR, DEVASTATED BY INTERNAL WARS FOR OVER 50 YEARS, IT CANNOT SURVIVE BY ITSELF! Colombia fascist government in due time will be taken care off by its own people! This is the next Vietnam for USA ready to happen! STAY TUNED
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by CANUKISTAN_VIEW on 01.06.2006 [03:25 ]
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Clarification
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by iron_clay on 01.06.2006 [09:53 ]
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"Jews" have no blood-link to the Israelites of the Bible.
Jewish historian scholars have established that at least 90% of all Jews come from a Turkish-Mongol mix of people and are largely sourced from the Khazar Kingdom.
These "Jews" have no blood-link to the Israelites of the Bible.
The Jewish scholar Arthur Koestler provided overwhelming evidence, for the above in his famous 1976 work, "THE THIRTEENTH TRIBE - THE KHAZAR EMPIRE AND ITS HERITAGE" showing, "that in the 8th century, Khazaria which was greatly made-up of the Turkish-Mongol mixed people known as Khazars, converted to their national religion of Judaism which was based on the Babylonian Talmud.
These same people then migrated to eastern Europe, especially to Hungary and Poland, taking their Babylonian religion with them.
"The Khazar origin of the numerically and socially dominant element in the Jewish population of Hungary during the Middle Ages is thus relatively well documented." Page 144.
"As already mentioned, the trade in fox and sable furs, which had been flourishing in Khazaria, became another virtual Jewish monopoly in Poland. (Page 157 )
Benjamin Freedman, another Jewish researcher, wrote his famous treatise FACTS ARE FACTS in 1954.
Freedman quotes from many historical sources and shows that the vast majority of Jews derive from the Turkish-Mongol mixed people of the Khazar Kingdom of the 2nd to 10th centuries, NOT from Biblical Israelite stock.
The facts are so clear as to the non-Israelite, racially-mixed origin of the modern day, Jews that the following appeared as a subheading to Freedman's book. "The historic facts revealed here for the first time provide incontestable evidence that their continued suppression will prove inimical to the security of the nation, the peace of the world, the
welfare of humanity, and the progress of civilisation."
Indeed, those words have proven to be quite prophetic as we witness the increasing terrorism and violence sparked by the continued blind of Zionist christians and U.S. unilateral aid to the Khazarian-Israelis.
Relatively recent genetic studies corroborate the historical facts that the Jews are of partly Turkish origin.
An article a out of the "Ha'Aretz" Jewish newspaper form Nov. 22, 2001 was entitled, "Study finds close genetic connection between Jews, Kurds." The article opened, by saying, "The people closest to the Jews from a genetic point of view may be the Kurds, according to results of a new study at, the Hebrew University.
Scientists who participated in the research said findings seem to indicate both peoples had common ancestors who lived in the northern half of the Fertile Crescent, where Northern Iraq and Turkey are today. Some of them, it assumed, wandered south and settled on the eastern shores of the Mediterranean."
(Abraham) The article goes on to state, "The study's findings are published in the current issue of The American Journal of Human Genetics.
The researcher's used the DNA of 1,847 Jewish men of Ashkenazi, Sephardi and Kurdish descent, Muslims and Christians of Kurdish, Turkish and Armenian descent, various Arab populations, & Russians, Poles and residents of belarus."
Additionally, it has been known for many years that a large proportion of Jews have oriental admixture in their ancestry. So Mongol infusion is also a probable part of their mixed heritage.
Anti-Semitism
Zionist organisations are becoming increasingly dependent upon the charge of "anti-Semitism" as a political weapon.
Anti-Semitism has a very precise definition. It refers to remarks or acts targeting the ethnic group termed Semites, which comprises both Jews and Arabs.
The Hebrew Encyclopedia defines anti- Semitism as all manifestations of hatred and racism directed against Semites. The Fact is that anti-Semitism also comprises all manifestations of hatred and racism directed against all Arabs.
Zionist media and political forces have warped this definition in several ways.
They have manipulated the concept of Semitic ethnicity so as to apply to Jews alone, thereby enabling them to level the allegation of anti-Semitism against the Arabs in spite of the fact that they constitute the majority of the Semitic peoples.
In addition, they have stretched the definition of anti-Semitism to include any criticism of Israel and Israeli policy.
Now anyone who speaks out against the aggression and inhumane practices practiced by Israel risks being branded "anti-Semitic".
Thus the label "anti-Semitic" has acquired enormous deterrent power and is used regually by Zionists.
Now confident in having monopolised the field as Semites, so as to hurl "anti-Semite" at all and sundry who criticise Israel, Zionist leaders can spews the most atrocious racist abuse against others. It's the pot calling the kettle black.
I will not be back to this page, any replies can be made by email.
iron_clay "at" clear.net.nz
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by Zack on 01.06.2006 [16:13 ]
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Thanks Econ for the links.
Amazing how full of shit germans are these days all guilty and sad for something that may have happened 60 years ago and still paying the Zionist Entity millions. No wonder they've become the lapdogs of the US machinery. As the White House Chimp would say "Just calls it like me sees it, zaaths a good boy".
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by the_jawbreaker_tenderpain on 01.06.2006 [16:20 ]
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I was not aware of the law against publishing those archives, thanks for the info.
As the US continues to aggress against innocent Iranian's, with it's well-perfected systematic deceit, creating the condition's for "justifiable homicide", and further irradiating "the Holy Land", the Iranian's continue to remain uncomprimising in their stance, providing the rest of the world with a much-needed example of self-respect, courage and integrity in the face of a criminal, maniacal, axis of evil "regime" that thinks nothing of committing mass murder, and who continue their radioactive, chemically toxic poisoning of the planet Earth, as the US public sleepwalk towards their grave.
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 01.06.2006 [17:09 ]
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Spiegal asked Jad if he questioned the "fact" of Israel's right to exist.
What fact? That's an opinion.
Not only is it an opinion, but it is the opinion of the the worst sort of bigot racists who think that Middle Eastern people are such insects that it is ok to conquer our lands, massacre our villages like the village of Deir Yassin, drive us out into the desert with no water, and then to claim that land for themselves; and such an act is legitimate.
To say that Israel is legitimate is to say that Middle Eastern people are mere insects that can be crushed and driven out to make room for foriegners.
To say that Israel is a legitimate state is to say that Middle Eastern people are not legitimate human beings.
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by wings on 01.06.2006 [17:13 ]
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I am sick and tired of supporting a country that slipped into my country through the back door and set up the guiderules and laws for my people to live by. I'm sick and tired of being looked down on by those same people who will humiliate and patronize the very human beings who feed and shelter them. I'm sick and tired of watching those arrogant imbeciles push themselves and their children to the front of the fast money con lines (except the front lines in Iraq), disregarding all others who have ligitimate reasons for earning a living. I'm sick and tired of Jews calling the US "their" country through the paper currency media just because they have fooled the world that currency is a real value. At least when we trade and barter we are getting something real for something real. The present currency sysem invented by Jews gives something for nothing but printed paper. You can't eat paper. I'm sick of hearing about "dual citizenship" for a huge group of people calling themselves israeli's. Perhaps we're all just getting sick and tired of the same old BS stories on the holocaust. Who cares? No one cared when an entire nation of Native Americans were slaughtered and buried.
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by wings on 01.06.2006 [17:16 ]
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SPIEGEL: Are you still saying that the Holocaust is just "a myth?"
Ahmadinejad: I will only accept something as truth if I am actually convinced of it.
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by wings on 01.06.2006 [17:17 ]
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So is Ahmadinejad.
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 01.06.2006 [17:25 ]
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Zionist propaganda claims that the Zionists purchased the land that they settled before 1948.
That is only part of the story.
First, they purchased the land from absantee land lords through intimidation. Then they drove out the Palestinian residents (The olive trees on the land belonged to the Palestinians).
When they did take a land, they cut off the water to Palestinian lands, thereby forcing the land owners there to sell or else end up with useless land.
The purchasing of the land was funded by central Zionist banks with the intention of creating a state on Palestinian territory.
Now, when Japan began to purchase large amounts of land from the USA during the 1980's, the USA considered it to be a threat and forced the Japanese to sell the land back.
But the Japanese were not intending to annex that land for Japan. That which the Zionists were doing was far more of a threat to the Arabs than what the Japanese had done to the USA because the Zionists were using intimidation to buy, driving out residents, cutting off water, and planning on creating a state from Palestinian lands.
The Palestinians could not effectively fight back because the British were protecting the Zionists.
You know that if, for instance, Mexico were to start purchasing huge swathes of US land with the intent of annexing it for Mexico, the US would consider that an invasion.
But the Zionists didn't just do that. They made their purchases through intimidation, they drove the resident Palestinians out from the orchards that the Palestinians owned, and the Zionists used terrorism to drive out other Palestinians.
Done to any other people, that would have been sufficient grounds for an act of war; but when done to the Palestinians, it is considered to be legitimate!
Thus the implication of claiming legitimacy for Israel is that Arabs are just insects who can be swept off without concern.
Once the Zionists grabbed enough Palestinian land through shadey and mafia style "purchases," they then stopped purchases, and began terrorizing Palestinians off of other lands.
New Israeli historians like Benny Morris have finally admitted that the Palestinians were forcefully driven out of their homes.
Thus the creation of the state of Israel was an invasion of the Middle East.
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 01.06.2006 [17:35 ]
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Spiegel asks Jad to accept the status quo of Israel's existence.
Spielgel asks Jad how much longer the conflict must continue?
Spiegel's position is absurd. How about we go committ a crime against Spiegel and then ask them to accept the status quo?
What a great excuse for criminals! They can do whatever they want, and then just demand that society accept the status quo because it would be too much trouble to change things.
Spiegel's interview just showed that it is a dishonest, biased, and politically agenda driven propaganda machine in the same line as Joseph Goebbels.
Spiegel claims that it has learned from Germany's mistakes of the past; but apparently that is not true.
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by wings on 01.06.2006 [17:38 ]
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Ahmadinejad: We have always cultivated good relations with Europe, especially with Germany. Our two peoples like each other. We're eager to deepen this relationship.
Europe has made three mistakes with respect to our people. The first mistake was to support the shah's government. This has left our people disappointed and discontent. However, by offering asylum to Imam Khomeini, France earned a special position that it lost again later. The second mistake was to support Saddam in his war against us. The truth is that our people expected Europe to be on our side, not against us. The third mistake was Europe's stance on the nuclear issue. Europe will be the big loser and will achieve nothing. We don't want to see that happen.
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 01.06.2006 [17:48 ]
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It is good to see you here again.
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by Mike-Malaysia on 01.06.2006 [17:51 ]
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Your absence has been sore.
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 01.06.2006 [17:54 ]
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I meant, absentee. Not absantee.
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 01.06.2006 [17:55 ]
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peace.
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by wings on 01.06.2006 [18:11 ]
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Feels good to come in for a landing once in a while and see my most familiar brothers. Thanks my dear Iranian spirit wind whisper. It's always good to talk the talk and walk the walk with you.
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by wings on 01.06.2006 [18:14 ]
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One cannot make a wrong statement when truth is on his side.
SPIEGEL: This letter to the American president includes a passage about Sept. 11, 2001. The quote: "How could such an operation be planned and implemented without the coordination with secret and security services or without the far-reaching infiltration of these services?" Your statements always include so many innuendos. What is that supposed to mean? Did the CIA help Mohammed Atta and the other 18 terrorists conduct their attacks?
Ahmadinejad: No, that's not what I meant. We think that they should just say who is to blame. They should not use Sept. 11 as an excuse to launch a military attack against the Middle East. They should take those who are responsible for the attacks to court. We're not opposed to that; we condemned the attacks. We condemn any attack against innocent people.
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by wings on 01.06.2006 [18:23 ]
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Ahmadinejad: We're fundamentally opposed to the expansion of nuclear-weapons arsenals. This is why we have proposed the formation of an unbiased organization and the disarmament of the nuclear powers. We don't need any weapons. We're a civilized, cultured people, and our history shows that we have never attacked another country.
SPIEGEL: Iran doesn't need the bomb that it wants to build?
for instance, "that it wants to build?" No where does the President say Iran wants to build a bomb! Whoever this Spiegel guy is ... he's a coward and a provoker.
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by Ondskan on 02.06.2006 [06:55 ]
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Guys you know that you are acting like idiots ( Nazis ) when you blame all the worlds problem on the jews and communists (call them both Jews) while it's other people (big corporations and their bosses - often christian or atheist) that are the real enemy?
It doesn't really matter that they are christian or atheist. What is important is that Israel is a country of under 100 million people.
It's own economy is fucked up so they get cash from USA and other countries in "aid". But they ain't any bloody figure in international politics, just a pawn.
And quit this crap about zionists being everyone who you don't agree on. That's just fundamentalist propaganda.
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by wings on 02.06.2006 [20:26 ]
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It doesn't matter what religion or atheist people are, that has nothing much to do with the "real" reason Israel was formed. This is not about religion. If it were, Islam would win, hands down. I don't even care if I'm called the infidel. The religion itself is cleaner. I only learned that from coming to this site.
Christians will have to learn sooner or later their religion has been written by Jews to control the goy slaves through the good book. It's worked pretty well all these years, but people are starting to search for truth for themselves instead of needing a rabbi or preacher to read it for them, and things just aren't adding up right anymore. Why do you think there are so many questions in that department these days. In the beginning, Man created God. Try to hold on to that thought.
Not long ago, Jewish folks were being herded by the droves (via air, whatever) into the West Bank/Gaza Strip to take up residence in the new homes built for their occupation. Yes, there are probably 100 mil living in the occupied territory, but who asked them to go there? Who made them risk their lives in a country that belongs to people with ancestors already there? Who took them there?
Israel is not a country and never was a country. It's a bought and paid for state, without permission of the people who have lived there forever. A country is made up of a culture of people who have been there through generations of ancestors. A country is more than millions of displaced and implanted people who were merely placed there to make up a population to call it a country. What part of that do you not understand. Do you think the world is blind on these matters, or just stupid? Too bad the internet came along at the wrong time, huh?
Israel NEVER had its own economy to get fucked up. Israel has been a welfare state from day one. Not many goy Americans knew that their hard earned tax money was going out the door to support a confinement of Jewish folks until these latter days. What's worse my friend, the more who learn about this minor discrepency toward the governments handling of their money, the worse matters will get for the Israeli folks who think that country belongs to them.
Without the aid of US (and other countries), there would be no Israel. Of course, the people there are just pawns as you state, but they must realize nothing ever comes for free in this world. Someone had to work for that land. What were they thinking when they moved there? IMHO, it would have been much better for the US to have been spending those billions every year on levees and hybrid transportation, and alternative electricity instead of Nuclear plants.
You also better research and read a little more about the Zionists like the others on this website have already done. Sionism is not just Fundamentalist propaganda. It is a global movement for global control. I wouldn't try defending the Zionists on this site. Give yourself a little break here and open your eyes wider.
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by Ondskan on 03.06.2006 [17:02 ]
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Isn't that about re-uniting jews with their holy land. Remaking the true Israel and making sure all jews return to this promissed land?
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by wings on 04.06.2006 [06:28 ]
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IMHO Jews holy land was never really a place meant to reunite anyone in particular, but more or less a piece of land to make the world stand up and give even more attention to the persecuted Jews, as well as being a nice staging ground for pursuing more land of course, ... like the Middle East?
Wasn't it the Jews who wrote the bible? Dumb ass goy workers anyway, they're not supposed to figure these things out. They must be evolving faster than was planned. If everybody gets a piece of the land to build on, who will work for the taxes to pay for it? The stupid goys are getting rubbed out in Iraq.
What's so holy about Israel anyway? Don't they just knock other peoples down to build themselves up? Another thing, if all the Jews moved to Israel, where would the Palestinians go? To Europe? Or the US? What is holy in stealing? The way it's been reading, it's pretty obvious to most of the world that Palestinians are just not happy with Israel being part of their land any longer, but I don't think they know how much the US has put into Israels defence force.
Also, Who wrote that the land was promised to the Jews? Isn't their kingdom in heaven like everybody elses? Is this the same God the rest of the world understands? Did God really write promises? Where is he anyway. I'd like to ask him a few questions about truth.
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by Ondskan on 04.06.2006 [11:04 ]
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I'm not saying that Zionism is in any way right or good.
I'm just saying what it is, or what zionists belive it is. And what I'm also saying is that it's stupid to blame "zionists" to be the reason for every thing in the world you don't like. :)
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by wings on 04.06.2006 [17:06 ]
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"it's stupid to blame "zionists" to be the reason for every thing in the world you don't like."
It's radical to lump at the evils of the world into one big black blot, but, everything I have distaste for, and what is the cause of most imbalance of nature, Zionists have created in one way or another, moving mountains to satisfy the glutonous appetite of the few (PNAC).
We are only humans, but we have extremely dangerous technology. We are playing God. We either believe in God or we play God. We can't have both, and the two do not mix. Technology in the hands of evil beings means the destruction of all. What God in heaven, or wherever God might reside, would allow man to destroy HIS/HER creation? WE are guests on this planet. We did not create the planet, but we have really created a mess of the planet, wouldn't you say? We will all pay.
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