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USA Bars Robert Fisk From Entering Country
By: Varios on: 22.09.2005 [20:41 ] (12094 reads)
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by stopwar on 22.09.2005 [20:56 ]
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Robert Fisk actually helped the USUK cause with his reports from Beirut. It seems that anything less than 100% obedience will be punished...
Back to: "you're either with us or against us", I suppose.
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by CreosoteChris on 22.09.2005 [22:08 ]
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Stopwar
Fisk's reportage from Iraq and elsewhere has, in my view, been some of the most honest and hard-hitting stuff seen in the mainstream media since the invasion.
Why do you think he's helped the US/UK cause?
Regards Chris
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by insider on 22.09.2005 [22:16 ]
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Hey Dubya, There's some guy out here says it's not fair to keep him out of the States, he keep crying on about the freedom thing. "Tell him he's got the freedom to piss off back where he came from and we've got the freedom to keep him out of our back yard." But Dubya. What about freedom of speech.? Jeeze, How much freedom does the guy want? He's free to say anything he wants as long as it's the truth as we see it and if he tells lies as we see it then he must be a terrorist and we have the freedom to send him to Guantanimo. That must be fair! Mustn't it? Long live the free world (as we see it)
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by intissar1 on 22.09.2005 [23:05 ]
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I am everyday more convinced that Fisk is a "gentil correspondent" for the Arabist wing of the foreign office. That would "explain" his "survival" in that region for so long. Great journalist nonetheless with great insight... indeed
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by antecesive on 23.09.2005 [01:10 ]
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So Mr. intissar1 would prefer to have Fisk dead?
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by intissar1 on 23.09.2005 [01:38 ]
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Did you read and understand what I said ? I doubt...
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by verve on 23.09.2005 [02:26 ]
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are just pissed off in general, Fisk isn't the only one being kept out. Mind you, it's a shit hole, why bother going in the first place?
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by Mike-Malaysia on 23.09.2005 [02:42 ]
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hehehehe :)
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by stopwar on 23.09.2005 [05:11 ]
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I'm only reporting it as I perceived it at the time.
Most of Fisk's reporting on Iraq has been incisive, erudite, and no what the USUK coalition would want to hear.
HOWEVER, because of the reputation he gained over his Iraq reporting, he was listened to much more than he should've been over Syrian involvement in assassination in the Lebanon(highly unlikely - who stood to gain?). I was appalled then, and still am now.
But the US haven't even been able to accept the favour he did them over Beirut - preferring instead to condemn him for writing something close to the truth regarding Iraq.
Are you going to the demonstration on Saturday?
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by stopwar on 23.09.2005 [06:02 ]
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by CreosoteChris on 23.09.2005 [09:28 ]
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Fisk's reputation (and collection of journalistic awards) stretches back a long way past the 2003 invasion). As a fluent Arabic speaker, long-term resident of Beirut, and journalist whose analysis has proved right time after time, I find his opinions credible.
I really don't know what the term "gentil correspondent" means, Dictionary.com lists one entry for "gentil", it's a Chaucerian variant of "gentle". Perhaps there was a typo there.
But anyway I think he's a journalist, and I don't entertain theories, unsupported by any credible evidence, that he has some hidden agenda.
I wasn't actually aware of the demo on Saturday, and have other plans for the weekend.
Regards Chris
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by Mike-Malaysia on 23.09.2005 [13:34 ]
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Your anget at Fisk does seem unusual. Fisk is one of those rare breeds who actually tells whats known in certain circles as 'the truth' (a concept unknown of in Fleet street) Being in Beirut and able to communicate wuth Arabic speakers directly, and being free of immasculation that other western journalists (like that terrible MI6 agent Frank Gardner) he is therefore likely to have a better handle on ME issues than many of us.
The Syria thing is most likely to be the US/parasitic fake state currently occupying Palestine, however the lack of Syrian defense was apalling. Imagine if someone pointed the finger at you for such an act as the HArari assassination. You just woudn't SOA (sit on arse) and pull your troops out of Lebannon after a few pro-"parasitic fake state currently occupying Palestine"/US so called demonstrators took the streets afterwards.'
I'm not saying Syria did it but boy did it NOT help itself in the aftermath.
Fisk may be wrong about Syria/Lebannon. To definitively assert he's correct would be very foolish of me, all I am saying is that he probably has a very good reason for his thinking. Perhaps he should be asked.?
The US banning people like Fisk is strange. Why let Galloway in? Perhaps They fear Galloways populist support and think Fisky baby is a 'has been' who nobody will bat an eyelid at?
Who knows. US censorship is noting new.
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by paul pawlowski on 23.09.2005 [13:48 ]
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Stopwar meeting tonight 19:30 at Friends House opposite Kings Cross.
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by saracen1984 on 23.09.2005 [15:04 ]
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Friends house is opposite Euston station I think not Kings Cross ,it is in the Quaker building.
Robert Fisk also took away governments involvement in the 7/7 bombings by suggesting that this was as a result from the occupation of Iraq (This fools the socialists) . Funny how his article came out so quickly....
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by stopwar on 23.09.2005 [16:44 ]
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I hope it didn't come across as anger - more like disappointment. On Iraq, Fisk (and Pilger) have been the only UK journalists getting anywhere near.
Regarding Syria/Lebanon... yes, there was a big media propaganda campaign against Syria. Wasn't JUST Fisk, but both he and the French govt were going hard on very little evidence. Nuff said.
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by _merk_ on 23.09.2005 [17:14 ]
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they've banned Cat Stevens, Tariq Ramadan, the Canadian blogger Wright, tarmacked hundreds of foreign travellers and sent planes back etc.- they've banned someone for everyone's taste, ... now Fisk. The US government protecting its citizens from harm, don't you get it? This works ok until Ritas and Katrinas come in without visas. Look at Texas. People already dying in gridlock on the highways because Homeland security hasn't ever implemented workable escape routes for larger cities in case of a major emergency and terra. But the sheep are safe from singers, professors, journalists, nail scissors, chopsticks, and pocket knives. Pretty funny when the neocons' new reality meets with real life.
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by GwydionM on 23.09.2005 [18:38 ]
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Their pattern of banning people from their own soil is self-defeating. They just look ridiculous and weak.
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by Spies_and_Traitors_will_be_Shot on 23.09.2005 [19:19 ]
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democracy looks like
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by wings on 23.09.2005 [19:25 ]
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You took the words right out of my mouth. I was very disappointed when they turned Cat Stevens back. About the government protecting its citizens (I understand that was tongue and cheek), but ask any of the refugee's/evacuee's who are still being transported to ever far ranging strange places away from their roots, and ask them how the government is protecting them from harm. Ask the hundred mile long line of cars coming out of Galveston whose protecting them when their vehicles run out of gas waiting in the lines of escape from hell. Many are turning back to face Rita.
I would like to come face to face with the pro-warmongering bastards that like death and destruction on a planet that does not belong to them or any of their political associates around the world.
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by wings on 23.09.2005 [19:27 ]
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There is no such thing as democracy in this world, US or any other country. If you believe there is, please tell me where?
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by _merk_ on 23.09.2005 [19:46 ]
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by eddie_uk on 23.09.2005 [23:29 ]
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sorry for going off toic , but does any1 know what hapend to the "british Bombers" story with the insignia of srr on the front . post a link if you know where it is now . thanks
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by turco on 24.09.2005 [00:01 ]
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is a real guy, with real opinions of his own. He makes mistakes but you can still tell he actually says what he beleives.
Saying that Fisk helped the US cause is way too harsh. There is no point in attacking (or not supporting) people like Fisk, when they are already a minority, and there is an army of fake journalists waiting to replace them. If we stop supporting him, he may easily be a "independent correspondent killed in Iraq by US troops". Easily.
Now about the Beirut stuff. I think he is probably more knowledgable on the subject than I am (and in fact his credibility for Iraq war comes from his previous Beirut reporting and not vice versa), I am willing to listen to what he says. Because as I said at least I beleive he has no hidden agenda. If I disagree with him, I disagree.
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by Neal on 24.09.2005 [02:31 ]
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Why would a seemingly intelligent man like Robert Fisk want to actually enter that den of iniquity anyway??
The satanic powers that be are giving a one way ticket out of America and people are still trying to enter??? Why??
Still people want to stay in Mystery Babylon the Great, Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth. Why??
People never cease to amaze me, clear evidence of being the most destructive, and evil nation the earth has ever had to put up with and still they want "in"??
It seems that putting all the Biometric restrictions on incoming has just made stupid people want to go there more.
It's like Sodom when Lots wife didn't want to leave.
Oh God let the fire fall on America.
Neal
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by stopwar on 24.09.2005 [03:18 ]
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Well... by being so critical of Syria at that time - when it would have been crazy for Syria to carry out such as assassination - Fisk certainly DID help the USUK cause, because the result was the withdrawal of Syrian troops from the Lebanon.
I wasn't having a go at Fisk with that point - I was just attacking the totally black-and-white thinking of those who claim to be (mis)governing the US.
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by stopwar on 24.09.2005 [03:30 ]
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by Nick_UK on 24.09.2005 [16:00 ]
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That phrase reminds me of those old war movies with your stereotypical German official demanding to know 'ver are your papers' and 'your papers are not in order'. More similarities between German fascist officialdom and America's Dept. of Fatherland Security.
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by wings on 24.09.2005 [21:22 ]
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by Spies_and_Traitors_will_be_Shot on 25.09.2005 [22:44 ]
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this is what us democracy looks like.
A complete sham.
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by Mike-Malaysia on 26.09.2005 [05:04 ]
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