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What is disturbing... by stopwar on 26.08.2005 [13:37 ]

is that, to date, no mainstream news sources appear to have taken on this story.

where was everyone else by andy on 26.08.2005 [18:08 ]

I have had my suspicions about this picture showing the four young men entering Luton station. First of all there is no-one else in the picture and no identifiable vehicles shown. In other words no independant witness to corroborate this time and place. Secondly, I was a regular rush hour traveller on the Thameslink train and I am pretty sure that 4 young men with large rucksacks would have stood out a mile. These trains were usually packed by Kings X and if the previous train had been cancelled then this would be doubly so. After the events of that day and the subsequent media exposure of this picture there should be a large number of independant witnessess who would have remembered these men and corroborated their movements. Where are they?

@andy by marxoid on 26.08.2005 [19:17 ]

ht tp://www.financialoutrage.org.uk/trains_luton_to_kings_cross.htm has better detail on train times. The picture shown has been cropped. There are other people and two vehicles in the full shot. ht tp://www.met.police.uk/news/terrorist_attacks/groupcctv.jpg|met Look in the top right hand corner. Also some claimed (Irishdrifter - his blog has gone) that there was a face in the mirror of the vehicle on the lower right hand side. Look at the very top of this vehicle. Fintan Dunne h ttp://wagnews.blogspot.com has claimed that this photo is fake but I doubt it.

Time by PeterS on 26.08.2005 [19:45 ]

Sometimes it is possible to calculate time (hour) from shadows. I was looking on map, how the station is orientated against sun, but this not make me result, because map dont show me details. If anybody can said, what orientation (in grades) has direction of this street on photo and how tall is telephone box and its distance from edge of street (how long was the shadow), it is not hard to calculate where was position of sun. And this is the key, what time was. ??? Somebody from London?

with this single image by weegee on 27.08.2005 [02:50 ]

the powers that be have managed to convince the greater part of sixty million people(britpop) that the four young men shown went on to suicide bomb the people of London. The whole charade of smoke and mirrors continues now with the cctv "here today, but sadly gone over there tomorrow" nonsense, and nobody asks why can't we see the moving images. All of the terror crimes have either been solved (or obscured) via static images alleged to have been lifted from cctv footage. We have truly entered the era of mass manipulation via media, and whole populations are succumbing in a trice. Worriesome times.

I think some of you are missing the point... by stopwar on 27.08.2005 [09:52 ]

even if the picture IS genuine, if you read the article it would have been impossible for those guys to get on the 7.24 train anyway. Good to see plenty of hits. The ptb may have influence over the content of the mass media, but not the Internet. THe founders of the Internet plus Tim Berners-Lee ought to become the new "founding fathers" of democracy.

good audio at truthseeker ... by hellsbells on 27.08.2005 [12:08 ]

... of a woman describing how the 8:40 train from Luton was cancelled - the train that the pakistani lads allegedly travelled on to Kings Cross - and previous trains were very late. ht tp://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk and use links There are many similarities of propaganda technique between 7/7 & 9/11. As soon as Tony Bliar came on television and said 'al-qaeda' one knew the script. And the israelis were immediately in the picture — aren't they always when this sort of thing happens?

now reported on newsnow.co.uk by stopwar on 27.08.2005 [12:15 ]

under the slightly different heading: "Were the 7th July London bombers' movements physically possible?" According to the evidence from the financialoutrage site, they clearly were not. But does anyone here know Luton station?

UK indymedia thread... by stopwar on 27.08.2005 [16:27 ]

Finally updated: ht tp://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/08/321946.html

Timings by marxoid on 27.08.2005 [21:00 ]

Suppose that, because of the cancellations, the Luton Four could not have got to King's Cross in time for the bombings at ~08:50, certainly not by 8.26 when the police claim they were seen together on CCTV. This CCTV record has not been released. What is the timestamp on it? Timings are crucial now.

CCTV evidence... by stopwar on 28.08.2005 [06:18 ]

was removed by the police from Stockwell station, presumably because it was embarassing to them (ie it supported the hypothesis that they had shot a man in cold blood, and that the "man" jumping over barriers and running down escalators was a plain-clothes policeman). If police are prepared to lie to the extent they did over de Menezes, then it seems perfectly reasonable to suggest that they lied to give credence to the "four lone suicide bombers theory" for 7/7. As with the suggestion that de Menezes was "deserving to die", this theory was readily lapped up by the awful British media and served up with oodles of sauce to a gullible British public.

Revealing article in Hindistani Times... by stopwar on 28.08.2005 [06:28 ]

ht tp://www.hindustantimes.com/news/5983_1471914,00430005.htm According to the police, the fourth suicide bomber was trying to contact his colleagues with increasing desperation. They use this as evidence supporting their theory... that he got so desperate he got on a bus and set off his bomb there. Hmmmm! Well, he would be worried about his friends if they weren't answering him, especially if there was speculation that bombs were going off in the underground. Doesn't by any means provide evidence that he was a suicide bomber. Another example of, at best, very poor science - at worst, spinning evidence to fit a half-baked/invented theory.

Fourth "suicide bomber" stopped for a Big Mac by stopwar on 28.08.2005 [07:24 ]

Yes. This is true. He was caught on CCTV in a MacDonalds restaurant near Kings Cross station: ht tp://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/august2005/250805bigmac.htm Unfortunately, the article does not say what time the young man entered the MacDonalds restaurant, although this must have been on the CCTV footage.

witnesses by andy on 29.08.2005 [11:09 ]

sorry to keep harping on about this but I am a little puzzled about it. Why has no-one been able to interview a commuter from Luton who was on the train with these men? Most people on the train would have been regular commuters who caught the same train every day. If a journalist went to Luton station it would not be too difficuilt with a little time and effort to find people who were on the same train as these men. These people could then be interviewed and the story could be judged as to it's accuracy. There is no sub-judice on this case as no-one has been charged with any criminal offence related to it. So journalists are free to interview anyone who has any information about these events. Perhaps I am being naieve but has anyone tried and failed to find people or are they just not bothering.

picture by andy on 29.08.2005 [11:15 ]

just another note for Marxoid, I saw the original photo with the vehicles but they are not identifiable and neither is the distant figure in the top right corner, the vehicle on the right looks like a taxi and it would be a simple journalistic task to find this taxi driver if we could identify the vehicle, the driver may be able to verify the time and place and whether these men were there. These points may seem peripheral but this was the biggest mass murder in English history and I would imagine journalists would want to investigate rather than regurgitate.

Perhaps Andy. by Peter on 29.08.2005 [15:20 ]

It is because the train never ran in the first place, as the posting imply's. No train, No Passengers!

@Andy by stopwar on 29.08.2005 [16:51 ]

It is indeed very worrying that, despite this article being presented on What Really Happened and newsnow.co.uk, it seems that no mass media source took any notice. Voluntary code? News blackout? Sympathy with the other victims? I just don't know. But so much for the free press...

@ Stopwar by Peter on 29.08.2005 [17:30 ]

perhaps it's just as the queen says.......... There are dark forces at work :)

@Peter by stopwar on 29.08.2005 [17:48 ]

Of course! Why else would a people go to war against another people??? Or pick on the weak and least able to defend themselves. Jesus was well aware of this, and warned in a number of his parables. And of course Aesop in many of those fables. Dark forces seek to use sly, underhand methods to influence the minds of people. "Normal people" (whatever that means!) wouldn't do that, but become "believers", and then do the work of such. I really must see that latest Star Wars movie. Apparently it could be regarded as an allegory. Back to the thread - we must keep digging...

stopwar by andy on 29.08.2005 [20:47 ]

It does seem strange that no mainstream media has fully investigated this story, and the evidence produced above is pretty convincing. I have tried to dismantle their theory by guessing that the men pictured took the 7.24 train as this might just get them into kings x on time. The problem is the tickets which the police told us were found at the scene of the explosion( you can draw your own conclusion about the veracity of a small piece of paper surviving a massive fireball and explosion). If the police version is true then these tickets must have been bought after 7.22. Most commuter stations now use automatic ticket machines and these take at least one minute per ticket, let's be generous and give it 30 seconds per ticket with two machines. This would take our timeline to 7.23(though more likely two or three minutes more). Trains at Luton station can leave from a variety of platforms so the platform check would have to have been done (if your planning the biggest terroist atrocity in british history you want to hit central london in the rush hour and not end up in Bedford.)The platform check adds two minutes, and the walk two more. The timeline is way past 7.24. The evidence appears to be there and it is a shameful indictment of british journalism that the only investigation of these anomalies was carried out by enthusiastic amateurs.

@Andy by stopwar on 30.08.2005 [08:18 ]

All this means that (being generous) the police most likely got carried away with a theory - not necessarily that they are lying. The press could certainly find a way to report it. I think Andrew Marr himself provided the answer to your question in the article I posted to this site a couple of days ago: Quote, regarding Iraq's WMD: "It just never crossed my mind the dossier could be that ropey." ht tp://www.iraq-war.ru/article/61392 If Andrew Marr is typical - and he made his reputation at The Independent don't forget - these days journalists just assume that a govt produced/supported document will be accurate. (!!!) What is the point of journalism then??? And surely the "official" reports on de Menezes death are enough to cast suspicion on anything released by the metropolitian police whilst the current regime is still in place. Thanks for your insight into Luton station - it is inconceivable that four would-be suicide bombers would be rushing like that anyway to catch a train - and noone noticing them!

Other "evidence" against two of the bombers is: by stopwar on 30.08.2005 [08:40 ]

1) They visited Pakistan in February 2005 2) They were photographed at a "whitewater" theme park centre in North Wales, and one of them offered a peace/"V" sign to the camera Both of these facts are pretty meaningless, unless spun in with being a suicide bomber on a specific train with a specific number of casualties, as is achieved in the following BBC article: ht tp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/4703259.stm|link This story would then have been distributed all round the world, no doubt by journalists like Andrew Marr who do not question official sources...

In case you haven't already heard this... by stopwar on 30.08.2005 [19:46 ]

eyewitness account from Luton, then Kings Cross on 7/7 morning: ht tp://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/flash/londonbombings.html "It is now clear why the 7/7 commuter interviewed by D Starbuck did not mention the 7.30 AM train that left at 7.38 AM. The London trains normally go from platforms 1 & 3. To a regular traveller, the train at platform 4 would have appeared to be about to set off in the opposite direction - See Sources Of Information No. 3." ht tp://www.financialoutrage.org.uk/trains_luton_to_kings_cross.htm

No surprises, then... by stopwar on 02.09.2005 [09:19 ]

that no mainstream source is touching this story... yet. It would of course contradict what was put out also on 1st September via Aljazeera. But, for the commercially minded, I'm sure it would sell a few newspapers!

7/7 and Gaza withdrawal by paul pawlowski on 02.09.2005 [09:38 ]

just look at the timing — TelAviv was under pressure to honour promise and get out of Gaza. Safe House TelAviv makes 7/7 London Trains Bomb NEWS NEWS NEWS. The Defender of TelAviv PM Blair won't allow enquiry Who bombed the trains — only NEWS NEWS NEWS how Muslims did the trains. Protecting TelAviv TERRORISTS who are killing Londoners is TREASON.

James Stewart's response... by stopwar on 02.09.2005 [15:31 ]

to the Al Quida video: ht tp://www.financialoutrage.org.uk/phantom_enemy.htm

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