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Why Al Qaeda Is Probably Not Behind The London Attacks - JUS
By: RedDawn on: 09.07.2005 [07:21 ] (10935 reads)
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by a_family_member_of_adam_and_eve on 09.07.2005 [11:37 ]
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its time for you JUS to pack you bag and baggage . The alquaida myth you have been trying to spread have become futile and it shows in your own statement now. You have understood that your fielthy face has been exposed. So please get off from our back.
beaach
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by a_family_member_of_adam_and_eve on 09.07.2005 [11:46 ]
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this is a crime against humanity . islam forbids killing of civilians. Learn from the iraqi resistance on what is a ´´ retaliatory attack´´
This type of attack has no bases in Islam and its a political blunder if any nut cases act on this way. it will aid the CIA/Mossad genda and make the muslims look ugly.
ALQUAIDA IS A CIA/MOSSAD FRONT AND YOU JUS ARE THE LACKEYS OF THE CIA AND THE MOSSAD
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by Mohammad on 09.07.2005 [14:03 ]
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Some people in the name of Islam tend to say that Islam is "peace".So it is "wrong" to stand for justice.
These people not only abuse the teaching of Islam but also kill the mission for whom Allah sent Muslims on the earth.
Actually peace or no peace,violence or non-violence etc. are relative terms.Justice or Adalaat is the parmanent attribute of Allah.
Muslims must continue to accomplish the mission of universal justice be it violent or non violent.
This article is a nice political analyses.An eye opener for both Muslims as well as non-Muslims.
Thanks to the author.
May Allah protect her.
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by a_family_member_of_adam_and_eve on 09.07.2005 [14:35 ]
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The Qur'an permits fighting to defend the religion of Islam and the Muslims. This permission includes fighting in self-defense and for the protection of family and property. The early Muslims fought many battles against their enemies under the leadership of the Prophet Muhammad(S) or his representatives. For example, when the pagans of Quraysh brought armies against Prophet Muhammad(S), the Muslims fought to defend their faith and community(3). The Qur'an adds:
"Fight in the cause of Allah against those who fight against you, but do not transgress limits. Lo! Allah loves not aggressors. ...And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against transgressors." (The Holy Quran, 2:190, 193)
"If you fear treachery from any group, throw back (their treaty) to them, (so as to be) on equal terms. Lo! Allah loves not the treacherous." (The Holy Quran, 8:58)
Death to Osam Alquaida zarquai and their masters the CIA/Mossad
Allah admonishes Muslims in the Qur'an:
"And why should you not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)? - Men, women, and children, whose cry is: 'Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You, one who will protect; and raise for us from You, one who will help.'" (The Holy Quran, 4:75)
The mission of the Prophet Muhammad(S) was to free people from tyranny and exploitation by oppressive systems. Once free, individuals in the society were then free to chose Islam or not. Prophet Muhammad's(S) successors continued in his footsteps and went to help oppressed people. For example, after the repeated call by the oppressed people of Spain to the Muslims for help, Spain was liberated by Muslim forces and the tyrant rulers removed. After the conquest of Syria and Iraq by the Muslims, the Christian population of Hims reportedly said to the Muslims:
"We like your rule and justice far better than the state of oppression and tyranny under which we have been living."(Hitti, Philip K., History of the Arabs, St. Martin's Press, New York, 1970, p. 153. )
The defeated rulers of Syria were Roman Christians, and Iraq was ruled by Zoarastrian Persians.
Muslims should remove tyranny, treachery, bigotry, and ignorance and replace them with justice and equity. We should provide truthful knowledge and free people from the bondage of 'associationism' (Shirk, or multiple gods), prejudice, superstition and mythology. Muslims remove immorality, fear, crime, exploitation and replace them with divine morality, peace and education. The Qur'an declares:
"Lo! Allah commands you that you restore deposits to their owners, and if you judge between mankind that you judge justly. Lo! It is proper that Allah admonishes you. Lo! Allah is ever Hearer, Seer." (The Holy Quran, 4:58)
"O you who believe! Stand out firmly for Allah's witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to Piety and fear Allah. And Allah is well acquainted with all that you do." (The Holy Quran, 5:8)
"And of those whom We have created there is a nation who guides with the Truth and establishes justice with it." (The Holy Quran, 7:181)
"Lo! Allah enjoins justice and kindness, and giving to kinsfolk, and forbids lewdness and abomination and wickedness. He exhorts you in order that you may take heed." (The Holy Quran, 16:90)
"Those who, if We give them power in the land, establish prescribed prayers (salah) and pay the poor-due (zakah) and enjoin right conduct and forbid evil. And with Allah rests the end (and decision) of (all) affairs." (The Holy Quran, 22:41)
DID ISLAM SPREAD BY FORCE, SWORDS OR GUNS?
The unequivocal and emphatic answer is No! The Qur'an declares:
"Let there be no compulsion (or coercion) in the religion (Islam). The right direction is distinctly clear from error." (The Holy Quran, 2:256)
Flying plane in to a tower and bombing train and killing civilians are the act of evil and it is not ´stand for justice´ it is abusing the teaching of Islam
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by a_family_member_of_adam_and_eve on 09.07.2005 [14:47 ]
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Here is a good study of the question of the spread of Islam by a Christian missionary, T. W. Arnold:
"...of any organized attempt to force the acceptance of Islam on the non-Muslim population, or of any systematic persecution intended to stamp out the Christian religion, we hear nothing. Had the caliphs chosen to adopt either course of action, they might have swept away Christianity as easily as Ferdinand and Isabella drove Islam out of Spain, or Louis XIV made Protestantism penal in France, or the Jews were kept out of England for 350 years. The Eastern Churches in Asia were entirely cut off from communion with the rest of Christiandom throughout which no one would have been found to lift a finger on their behalf, as heretical communions. So that the very survival of these Churches to the present day is a strong proof of the generally tolerant attitude of Mohammedan sic governments towards them"**
Islam does not teach, nor do Muslims desire, conversion of any people for fear, greed, marriage or any other form of coercion.
In conclusion, jihad in Islam is striving in the way of Allah by pen, tongue, hand, media and, if inevitable, with arms. However, jihad in Islam does not include striving for individual or national power, dominance, glory, wealth, prestige or pride.
American and europian people will be liberated by the socalled rag heads in the middle east and they will be greatful to them . There leadership is in a mess and dangerously out of control , killing their own people in the event of 911, madrid bombing and the latest london bombing and slandering the muslims for it inorder to justify their oil and land grab by this act This is pure evil and a crime against humanity.
- Arnold, Sir Thomas W., The Preaching of Islam, a History of the Propagation of the Muslim Faith, Westminister A. Constable & Co., London, 1896, p. 80
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by cecsj on 09.07.2005 [21:16 ]
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I read comments above and I do not want to go into this arguments. However, I like to write the comments that came from Taliban of Afghistan that is interesting to read...
In replying to reporter, Taliban correspondent said, we are nor happy nor sad for what happened in London. Not happy, because inocent civilian died and many of them may be our supporters. Not sad, because British and American terrorists killing more our peoples every day then someone killed them in London.
In replying to other question, he said, well Taliban would be very happy if bombers would have choose British military installations, Governent instituions rather hitting general peoples.
SO DEAR FRIEND... TO WHOM LOTS OF US CALLED ILLETERATE TALIBAN ALWAYS SHOWS SIGN OF MOST INTELLIGENT PEOPLES.
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by CreosoteChris on 09.07.2005 [21:38 ]
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So the "Secret Organization of al-Qaida in Europe" lacks credibilty. Big deal. The underlying problem here is not how to interpret the Qur'an, but the political reality on the ground, and the dynamic of capitalism, driving the world towards resouce conflicts as the physical limits of capitalist expansion move from the distant horizon, into the short to-medium-term time-frame.
Al-Qaida isn't the issue, the problem is the rape of Arab and Muslim countries by the G8 and their collaborators. You can kill Bin Laden Zarquawi (if they're still alive), or any of the other big cheeses, and it won't make an iota of difference to the underlying dynamic (capitalism) that's driving the world towards increasingly vicious conflicts.
The CIA / Mossad conspiracy theorists should wake up and get real. The CIA haven't had their country occupied by 140,00 shoot-first, ask-questions-later thugs, intent on stealing their resources and wealth.
American and European people won't be liberated by Islam, they will be screwed over by the imperatives of capital, which demand continual expansion, and total control over resources (in this case oil) at any cost, no matter how brutal.
For incisive (non-Marxist) analysis of what's behind the London attacks, read Juan Cole's perspective here:
ht tp://fairuse.1accesshost.com/news2/salon-cole-revenge.html
Cheer Chris
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by Paperino on 09.07.2005 [22:00 ]
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Ok, i admit it, i don't have a clue about the meaning of the comment above. Please, CreosoteChris, clarify. What do you mean by:
"The CIA / Mossad conspiracy theorists should wake up and get real. The CIA haven't had their country occupied by 140,00 shoot-first, ask-questions-later thugs, intent on stealing their resources and wealth".
Or:
"American and European people won't be liberated by Islam, they will be screwed over by the imperatives of capital, which demand continual expansion, and total control over resources (in this case oil) at any cost, no matter how brutal".
Was anyone thinking "american and european people WILL be liberated by Islam"?
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by Paperino on 09.07.2005 [22:18 ]
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More BS coming from Scotland Yard. Now they say they haven't identified any of the victims. What are the odds that none of the 50 carried an ID? I'd say 1 versus 100000.
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by a_family_member_of_adam_and_eve on 09.07.2005 [22:29 ]
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Last night on CNN I heard them making a connection between the London bombings and an “Islamic terrorist” website called alneda.com. I tried to view the website but it’s been taken offline. I did find the following three year old reference to alneda.com on CNN:
From: ht tp://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/06/24/binladen.video/
"These statements and others from al Qaeda have been appearing from time to time on a Web site called www.alneda.com.
"In recent months, the site, which experts suspect is closely linked to al Qaeda, also has posted manifestos signed "al Qaeda jihad" in which it says bin Laden is alive and well and preparing future attacks against the United States.
Interesting "link" to al-Qaeda, as revealed by whois data for alneda.com:
WHOIS ALNEDA.COM
Registration Service Provided By: DIRECTI
Contact: +91.2256797500
Website: ht tp://www.directi.com
Domain Name: ALNEDA.COM
Registrant:
SFP, Inc
Jon David (jondavid@4jon.com)
Po 312
Berlin
Maryland,21811
US
Tel. +011.4107237089
Creation Date: 16-
read more .....ht tp://www.whatreallyhappened.com/alqmaryland.html
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by a_family_member_of_adam_and_eve on 09.07.2005 [22:30 ]
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i just copy the first paragraph from the article above
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by a_family_member_of_adam_and_eve on 09.07.2005 [22:37 ]
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London Underground Bombing 'Exercises' Took Place at Same Time as Real Attack
Power told the host that at the exact same time that the London bombings were taking place, his company was running a 1,000 person strong exercise which drilled the London Underground being bombed at the exact same locations, at the exact same times, as happened in real life.
the link is not working anymore ..
ht tp://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/090705bombingexercises.htm
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by Tet on 09.07.2005 [22:44 ]
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Same thing occured during 9-11, nothing changes. Peace.
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by CreosoteChris on 09.07.2005 [22:55 ]
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Paperino
My point about the CIA and Mossad was this: OK, the Bush Blair / Zionist gang mught have something to gain from the London attacks, but that doesn't make them responsible.
100,000 Iraqis are dead and their country is under a brutal, kleptocratic military occupation. Palestine has been stolen, had its economy wrecked, has been turned into a huge open-air prison by the Zionists. These political realities are a very compelling reason for hitting back at the enemy.
And we hear that the Mossad did a false flag bombing operation in London, with all the risk that entails, in order to bolster the short-term position of Blair. Which explanation, which rationale, is more compelling and credible as an explanation for the London bombings?
Regarding "American and European people won't be liberated by Islam" I think I must have been commenting on another article - I was reading several things at once. Somewhere amongst the recent posts on this site, there was an opinion on this subject (can't find it now but the word "ragheads" was used ironically). It was that Islam would eventually triumph.
Apologies for my confusing comment.
Cheers Chris
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by Peter on 09.07.2005 [23:02 ]
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Suggest people what Robin Cook has said about the origins of Al Qaeda.
Heading "The struggle againt terrorism cannot be won by military means"
Posted under "Current Analysis" on this site.
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by Peter on 09.07.2005 [23:05 ]
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put in the word....read...after Suggest people.
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by savgirl on 09.07.2005 [23:06 ]
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Well, I highly doubt this attack is link to Iraqis Chris, they have far too much to deal with in their home country. That and even if they did, it was the stupidest move they could make because Britian is now going to be mired in this war for far much longer, with much more popular support.
Ask who benefits? It surely isn't the Iraqis....
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by Trinity on 10.07.2005 [00:02 ]
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Re:AL QAEDA WEBSITE TRACKS BACK TO ... MARYLAND???
:Registrant:
SFP, Inc
Jon David (jondavid@4jon.com)
Po 312
Berlin
Maryland,21811
US
Tel. +011.4107237089
Creation Date: 16-
read more: ht tp://www.whatreallyhappened.com/alqmaryland.html
Bush ordered everyone to be Good Reichland Spies
and Rat on their neighbor, right?
Well, then we would all be doing our Duty as good little Stasi
Spies that we have all ordered to be
if we deluge Maryland Police
with calls and letters and emails
about the Terrorist named Jon David
that has an AL QAEDA Website!!
I mean, this Terrorist ought to be in Abu Ghraib
don't you think?
lol That is what I think!
Maybe we ought to track this Terrorist down in person
anyone living in the area and get photos
of this Terrorist and post them for the world to see!!!
That MIGHT just teach this Terrorist lol a lesson
When the NSA are revealed to be the Terrorists
lol.
Now THAT is karma!
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by adil_nazeem on 10.07.2005 [01:37 ]
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Thanks u posted it .
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by adil_nazeem on 10.07.2005 [01:42 ]
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http://globalresearch.ca.myforums.net/viewtopic.php?p=10067
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by adil_nazeem on 10.07.2005 [01:53 ]
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there will be an attack on west most likely Italy (Churches) and Tourist destinations and blame it on the BAD BAD ISLAMIC TERRORISTS.
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