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Lets get positive: Ideas on ending the African nightmare.
By: Mike-Malaysia on: 09.06.2005 [08:49 ] (1667 reads)
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Vegetation Map Source & Physical Map Source & Smiling Lady Source
09-June-2005. Whatever the outcome of Live 8 or the 2005 G8 meeting in Edinburgh, we must move consider the future for Africa. The rapidly dwindling proven oil reserves and sky-rocketing fuel prices - prices wich even for the industrialised countries is causing some pain, pose serious questions for the escape of Africa from the ceaseless cycle of poverty, sickness and death.
In the spirit of iraqwar mirror-world which supports global peace and harmony, but sadly has only issues of strife, death, atrocity, impoverisation to reort, This article seeks to address the African dawn and offers a model for Africas success. It is intended to initiate debate and improve the model.Unfortunately due to the nature of where this debate is conducted, it is likely that African residents view on the will be model will be lacking and as such will be of limited value. However, an initially outsiders persepctive may prove in some small way useful and hopelfully not serve as just another utopian plan.
As stated, debate is welcomed, but please. when offering criticism, give a solution to the problem you spot. It is my view that other models have failed simply becasue of the goal they have set is not applicable to Africa, that goal being that of a the classic Western style industrialised economy. If this objective, which is dreadfully relient on oil, is abandoned then perhaps, an alternative, more pleasant version of success can result.
Thank you.
Mike-Malaysia
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by profile on 09.06.2005 [16:47 ]
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How about Evicting all the Non African People from African and let the good African people look after Africa themselves.They would probably do a better job than the mess we keep putting them in every time we get involved.
Any one have a comment on that ?
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by Dexter_Sinister on 09.06.2005 [18:18 ]
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...IS NOT THE ANSWER.
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by Q' on 09.06.2005 [19:56 ]
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Economies
Obstacle are corporation and western oligarchies present in tmany africann countires.
Health:
Disease such as HIB are actually bio weapons. Q' remembered that two years ago, there were cure that eliminated HIV for non Caucasion people but was deliberately scrapped. Health issues are mostly the result of corporation.
Energy:
African countries does not need oil as main source of energy. Actually, Countries like Congo have hydro energy potential that can supply many other african countries. Theproblem are the lack of toos that westerners refused to provide.
Environmentalism:
One need to see who cause the pollutiuon. Any one bothereed to see how corporate like Shell delibertealy pollute Nigerian village for example. As for the model, how about Cuba and Venezuela model that mostly fit african culture?
Inner peace: __
Who create this articial border in first place? Does colonialist countires ever consulted the local people. Most aggression inside african countries are the result of foreign inteference such as Belgium, France , UK and US. About religion, that decision belong to african themselves.
Leadership:
Problems are foreign interference. Leader such as Lumumba, Sankara and other are intenetionally eliminated because of their nationist model to be replaced by brutal dictators like Mobutu, Bokassa and more.
For these above points, as long there are corporations, western countries that keep interfering to these african countries by
- deliberately spead disesase thought destruction of vital infrastrucures, dumping animal from labo in the nature,
- abritratly imposing tax how raw material from african countries,
- not allowing african countries to by tools to effectively take advanteg of their own rsorces,
- by constantly provide weapon to criminal so they can commit mass slaughering among local
- by intentionaly depriving culture from african people with the looting of unvaluable heritage such Zimbabwe wall, Nubia pyramid and more
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it won't be possible for many african countires to be self-reliant.
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by Q' on 09.06.2005 [20:03 ]
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How about Evicting all the Non African People from African and let the good African people look after Africa themselves.They would probably do a better job than the mess we keep putting them in every time we get involved.
One need to be careful with that statement becuas it may imply forcing non african individual who live with african cultures leaving too. You should say those peopel who don't help to contribute solving african problem must leave.
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by tiger on 09.06.2005 [21:55 ]
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by Little-Bit-of-God on 09.06.2005 [21:55 ]
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A truly worthy endeavour and a selfless gesture on your part. My respect for you remains high, indeed, you elevate yourself ever higher in my estimation. Thankyou Brother.
I hope I don't appear too pompous but it may be unavoidable. I apologise in advance.
I up to now have chosen to be largely anonymous but for everyone here's some info. I am a child of planet earth, born in the UK of African parents. I am not an authority of all things Afrikan, far from it, but this subject is close to my heart for obvious reasons.
Here are some of my thoughts. Of course, I humbly accept any constructive thoughts and criticisms as I realise that there are many people of other heritages who love Mother Afrika as much as I love all of Planet Earth.
Non Afrikans will be welcomed as guests for as long as they choose. All worthwhile advice and help would be graciously accepted but those guests who are found to be profiteering will have to leave to be welcomed back once they have learnt from their errors. Any guest who meets and forms a union with a native Afrikan will achieve permanent residence which will be proven academic as all visitors will be welcomed for an indefinite period.
Afrikans should be encouraged to go abroad to educate themselves at the best universities worldwide and encouraged to return home to contributed their knowledge towards restoring Afrika. All peoples of Afrikan descent but currently residing elsewhere will be welcome to return if they desire. Anyone wanting to leave Afrika will be free to do so.
With regard to "AIDS" (btw: Xuma, I loved your illustration showing the true nature of the "AIDS issue posted on the top news thread.) the people of Afrika need to understand what proper nutrition is about and realise that western ideas of nutrition and medicine is deeply flawed. In fact many people are already aware. A return to our natural diet of raw vegetables and fruit will be most beneficial in cleansing the mind and body of all Dis-eases. It will not be an easy task, but the rewards of abundant health and longevity will be apparent to all.
Thats all for now, no doubt I will think of more later. I hope we can keep this thread going.
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by Xuma100 on 10.06.2005 [01:56 ]
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They've succeded in peddling the HIV lie for more than 20 years and build a multi-billion $$$ industry on it employing armies of specially trained - read indoctrinated - scientists. They succeeded in peddling tons of expensive cell-poison - AZT - as a remedy for this imaginary virus murdering millions of people in the process. They have the world media at their total disposal for permanent scare campaings to remind us of the "pandemic" year after year..
And this is only one example, such an obviously gross and evident manipulation yet everybody buys it at face value.. no questions asked... there are myriads of more subtle manipulations, like the germ theory of disease which everybody takes for granted and turned the quest for health into a bug-hunting-with-poisons absurdity ... Who or what can turn all this around? A massive mortality event and start from scratch? even that is not the solution because we would start devising new supertitions, it is engrained in human nature.
Maybe the only way to get out of the vicious circle is to somehow stop being human, find someway of de-programming yourself, of un-learning all the loads of crap that our upbringing implanted in our brains... but if such a possibility exists, it won't fix the world, it will only help the few lucky individuals that happened to stumble upon it. Freedom is a personal matter and can never be exported to human society at large.
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by wings on 10.06.2005 [03:27 ]
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to me, and I would love to visit several parts of Africa one day. I doubt that opportunity will arise, short of a miracle, but to me, Africa represents reality in it's purest form. The land is dangerous and romantic at the same time. It has it's own spirit, and so do the people that live there.
It is obvious from recent documentation, that that magnificant spirit is being broken. It has been tried many times before though, and yet, it still survives. Perhaps truly, "the first shall be the last, and the last shall be first." Our world is changing.
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by Q' on 10.06.2005 [05:26 ]
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Afrikans should be encouraged to go abroad to educate themselves at the best universities worldwide and encouraged to return home to contributed their knowledge towards restoring Afrika.
That is exactly the fear of the oligarchs who threatened African people since century. They fear that Africans will be proud of themselves. The ancestors were traveller, traders of cultures (evidence of Olmec are one of example). In fact, they actually contributed to European Renaissance, Spain through the Moors and more. It is the kind of heritage African will need to get while facing the same oligarchs that threatened them. Among the culture, African people are the most feared.
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by Little-Bit-of-God on 10.06.2005 [06:08 ]
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by Little-Bit-of-God on 10.06.2005 [06:16 ]
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I've just seen your post. You are correct.
However I would say to all those that fear: That love can achieve more anytime.
Moderators: I've just realised that the long link I posted has caused the end of sentences to now go off the screen requiring scrolling.
Sorry to you and all the readers and commentators
Can this be fixed?
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by Little-Bit-of-God on 10.06.2005 [06:18 ]
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Please feel fre to remove the long link if you have to.
Sorry again.
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by Little-Bit-of-God on 10.06.2005 [06:26 ]
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by Mike-Malaysia on 10.06.2005 [09:32 ]
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IMHO:
non arficans in africa and eviction
1) Non-Africans should be allowed in africa (to think otherwise would be horrible) as tourists or as residents on payment of taxes / levvy. These proposals are very similiar to todays reality. If necessary, non-africans should devote some time to the community service, Africa - teaching in the community, clearing up litter, taking on an apprentice etc. Profit non-Africans make from living/working in Africa could in some way be linked to with the self-sustained economic prosperity of Africa, but All lands should initially be taken away from those that aquired them non-legitimately. It is unfair to evict people that were born there or those that want to live in Africa and be part of it. It would be up to the africas them selves if they wanted to boot out those identified as bloodsuckers, however I have a feeling many (non-manipulated) africans are welcoming and willing to live together.
africans doing a better job
I made assertions that that effect in the into. Yes they would probably do a better job, but they are slaves of their leaders. Leaders which are very corrupt - not becasue they are black of course but by virtue of the fact they lead poor countries and luxury is much sought after. The way Africa is run at the moment (a type of western economy) is not working and was imposed on Africa. The model I proposed above actually uses pre-colonial aspects as its foundation. So the reason behing breaking a statesmans finance need is supposed to be helpful.
US bases
Horrifying thought.
HIV
@Q'... Do you have any sources reporting the HIV cure for non-whites? The biology of white and non-white is so similiar that I doubt that a race specific cure for a virus (which is does not discriminate according to race) seems dubious. @ TIGER: AIDS is a lie. This is new to me please grant me some time to read around it a bit. One intial comment though is that Duesberg said AIDS is caused by AZT and recreational drugs. I cant imagine AZT (v.expensive) or recreational drugs being common in may of the poor deprived places where AIDS is said to be rampant. Tiger, skip over the AIDS bit for now, what about the rest of the article? I am totally open to the idea that AIDS is a con-tool, such cons are the trademark of the West.
Cuban
life as model for low petrochemical demand seems reasonable but I dont think Venezuela model. Perhaps a bit more explanation on what you mean in relation to Venezuela might be helpful.
Energy - oil
Yes I have said that for africa to be oil dependant is a total contradiction for it to break free of the poverty strangling it. It seems like some consensus on africa must try to be as oil dependant free as possible is forming.
corporations
Agreed that corporations in the hands of outsiders merely seek to gain from exploitation of africa. That is why I propose the limitations on exactly what foreign corporations can and cant do.
self reliance
Yes. It is possible. Africa is an immensly abundant country. The thing is that say if country 'A' is incredibly rich in a resource (say rain forests) country 'B' is incredibly poor. As a whole, africa by being a united insulated (but not isolated) state could be immensely successful. It is only by maintaining the artificially created countries within Africa that provides the trap of suffering.
education abroad
To enable technology transfer yes this I feel would be useful, but I think bringing back westernism would be detrimental. I make the same point in Malaysia. Why send students overseas when the local U's can do the same job. The problem is some education institutions have IMHO low standards which massively devalues them.
human & programming
Simply stop the brainwashing of the future generations. Tell them what is believed to the be the impartial truth and make them aware oof where they can find alternative views. We at mirror-world do this all the time - seemingly causing with great freedom of our minds. However when we log off, we reduce our free minds in order to be an integral part of society. @Little-Bit-of-God, I too find Ickes "Life is but a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves" a very deep statement. The dreams of the african people though (and the overwhelming majority of people) have already been set by the rotscum ruling this world - namely become rich an famous, the much flaunted american "dream". This is the only dream being offered to africans, and it is a false dream for them and a dream of imprisonment.
miracles
Yes miracles can happen, but we have let this phy$ical world eat so deep into out psychy that it encapsulates us and caused great despair. Do you not get a sence of sheer awe when you look into the heavens on a dark night?
REQUEST:
Please continue to focus on the physical model to for africa to achieve freedon from its sentence. The thread is going well :) thanks, but we need more discussion.
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by Mike-Malaysia on 10.06.2005 [09:40 ]
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Re: Ameican dream being a false dream for Africans.
Let let me charify what I mean. I am not saying Africans should be allowed to be wealthy, what I am saying is it shouldn;t be using western economics as the means to become wealthy.
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by Q' on 10.06.2005 [18:24 ]
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non arficans in africa and eviction
True. Sometimes, colonialist countries will force those who were born in Africa to leave. Q' had a caucasian who speaks and acts as an Africa (in this case, Rwanda) but his parents forced him to leave the country.
africans doing a better job
You need to understand how these puppets leaders managed to suppress educated people with the very complicity of special agent from outside countries. Another people is the propaganda tools from diffrent sources including medias at that time. With the existance of Internet, African poeple are well educated. Despite the proverty, some African countries managed to create jobs. Oh yeah, Q' informs there will be major event at the end of this month. For security reason, Q' cannot reveal the location. IT won't be surprising mainstream media will deliberately ignore it as usual.
HIV
@Q'... Do you have any sources reporting the HIV cure for non-whites?
Oddily enough, that source is no more available on the Internet. It was on mainstream media but on obscure section.
Mike, you will to understand AIDS is actually human invention. In Congo, an ex-nurse were horrifying that western doctors agave an unknown vaccin to not only ill people but healthy peope as well. Then days later, majority of ill people died and vaccined people suddenly got sick and got symdron like AIDS. Do you notice the odd pattern that some of syndromappears at the meoment countries like US are about to be exposed as criminal?
Cuban
Venezuala is in deep reform. They gradualy nationalize their resources, provide education and health with the help of cuban doctors. Venezuala take social approach. More details can be found on www.narconews.com and vheadlines.com. Obviously other "third world " countires take a note.
corporations
That will be challenging. Corporations like Bectel have used mercenary to suppress any sign of revolt against them. Bolivia revolution proved it is possible to oust these corporations (remember the horrible water ownership by Bectel) but people on which Corporations have headquarter needs to contain them.
self reliance
Not really a problem. Unification is a matter of time though.
education abroad
Not really a problem depending the countries. The issues are the funding given the way puppets managed the money. You will be surprised how educated many African people are. It is these kind of people racist oligarchs do not want to show the media Note that in many Hollywood movie, you will hardly see africans in positive light.
human & programming
that will depend the countries you talk about. Remember African people thingk as a group, not as individual. It's cultural and that is something that will be hard to change.
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by Little-Bit-of-God on 11.06.2005 [05:39 ]
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In short:
Re: Physical Model for Afrika:
All physical and political solutions for Afrika will not produce long term success if the spirit and self esteem issues of Afrikan peoples at home and abroad are not adressed.
People Like Marcus Garvey, Haile Selassie, Kwame Nkrumah, Jomo Kenyatta, MLK, Malcolm X and Muhammad Ali all addressed this issue. They drew the ire of the "elites" (colonialists).
This means:
1. As Q' has stated, The "elite" fear Afrikans
2. These influential Afrikans were on the right track.
In order to avoid any movement faltering, all Knowledge and Inspiration and other resources must be distributed as widely as possible, preventing any "messiah" figure being singled out. Clear minded Afrikans being very creative and practical are certain to work out the physical models required once egocentric tendencies are corrected.
Google the above names there is a wealth of information behind them.
Sorry, after 2 of my best posts going down the drain I'm feeling a bit jaded.
PS; Mike and Moderators: perhaps this thread should be moved to the Current Analysis section as it will be on the front page longer.
More later when I've recovered from my loss.
:)
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by Little-Bit-of-God on 11.06.2005 [06:24 ]
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by stopwar on 11.06.2005 [09:25 ]
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I'm revising my view of Bob Geldof, Live8, and Africa as a result of listening to him talk.
I'll still participate in the Edinburgh gathering, but with no illusions. Looks like Geldof IS a willing dupe of politicians... and he naively thinks it will work under such circumstances!!
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by stopwar on 11.06.2005 [11:37 ]
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by paul pawlowski on 11.06.2005 [12:04 ]
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Africa must fight its own battle for Survival — survival from AIDS,
survival from Debt, survival over starvation.
Debt
What is Debt? Just look how Debt is made:
The west was modernizing its industry. The West gave Poland loans to buy film-making equipment cheaply. Poland never even opened the boxes when it arrived because it was years behind world standard
-- but the Debt remained to be paid. Poland joined NATO — the debt was dropped.
Africa same thing — we give Africa money to buy equipment which is obsolete — useless — cannot compete — but the Debt remains to be paid back.
How paid back? Send African soldiers to wipe out Iraq — debt will be dropped.
Is this not what Bush is proposing for Africa?
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by moderator049 on 11.06.2005 [19:25 ]
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I am sorry to hear that your posts are lost. Actually you are not the only person complaining about that during the last 24 hours. Apparently a glitch in software (site's engine), our team is working on that now.
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by wings on 12.06.2005 [17:03 ]
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Thank you for the wonderful sites. The African beauty has made my day.
A Spirit Sister
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by wings on 12.06.2005 [17:05 ]
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Yes, the site was having problems yesterday. For a good portion of the day, I was not able to access the site. I'm sure glad it wasn't a government interference ... this time.
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by paul pawlowski on 02.07.2005 [13:38 ]
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AIDS is man-made microbiological ethnic weapon.
If Bush & Co was sincere about helping Africa — Bush would order his FBI to find out who did research on Microbiological Ethnic Weapon AIDS — get the scientists to answer in Court of Law.
Was AIDS developed in TelAviv?
Bush would order his investigators to find out who
was pushing legalization of pederasti and spreading AIDS.
But Bush won't do that.
I think that noise they are making about Africa
is Information Engineering to take peoples
thought away from Bush bankrupcy in Iraq.
Think Africa — forget Iraq — that's what its all about.
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by Mike-Malaysia on 26.07.2005 [13:48 ]
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