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China slams US accusation of arms build-up threat
By: Reuters on: 07.06.2005 [18:23 ] (3619 reads)
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China dismissed a U.S. accusation that it was undergoing a military build-up that might change the balance of power in Asia on Tuesday and said such comments threatened world peace.
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by Mike-Malaysia on 07.06.2005 [18:42 ]
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What a(nother)cockeyed concept. Just how hypocritical can a hypocrite get? The country that spends unimagineable amounts of money of fear and warfare daring to criticise ANYBODY else.
There is no balance. The US domintes. Clearly the complete pop-tart retards in the US administration inc. the military forces have no appreciation for anything Chinese. Perhaps they need a lesson in Ying and Yang.
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by .antiestablishmentarianist on 07.06.2005 [20:00 ]
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the balance of power if they think China has the advantage?
The US just has to ask the Chinese to purchase more worthless Treasury bills so that the US can afford to pay for it. (Say...can you give me money to purchase a gun so that I can shoot you?)
Meanwhile, back at the farm, military spending, invasions and war go unabated.
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by profile on 07.06.2005 [20:08 ]
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If these Loonies have a pop at China Militarily either Directly or Indirectly.The Chinese will give them so much "Ying" it will make their eyes water.China has known about their agenda for at least 5 Years which is ample time for it too prepare itself with Counter-measures.
The Chinese have played them all for the Fools they are.And these people have suddenly woken up to how foolish they have been.
This is all about "Crying over Spilt Milk".Watch the press over the next 6 months.BBC-LeMonde-Fox-CNBC etc they will all start bashing China verbally over different issues such as Human Rights-Unfair Trade Etc Etc.They Lost and they Dont Like it.LOL
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by Mike-Malaysia on 07.06.2005 [20:18 ]
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^^^ lol. How come China has only known about US plans over the last 5 years? What was China thinking 6 years ago?
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by profile on 07.06.2005 [20:43 ]
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Mike:The reason i said 5 years was because of the 2000 election in the U.S where Bush Won.China Would have known that the election was rigged which would have caught their attention,from that moment they would have initiated looking deeply into what was going on and placing Counter-measures.There is always Motive-Benefit and reason for any action in life.The Chinese would look for the reason why The 2000 election was rigged.Now place a year later 911 that would have sent Massive Alarm Bells ringing inside the CMC (Chinese Military Council) because China would have known that was a pre-meditated and staged event.Then Bush Creates the Patriot act which is basically a document for Country wide Lock-down (Totalitarionism) it then Invaded Afghanistan right near its Borders and then invaded Iraq a year later.The Chinese as a race of people are very intelligent-gregarious-hard working and a thorough people,they are not Emotionally driven they are thoughtful and methodical in their approach.China will know everything that has gone on.the real reasons and all the culprits and would have already have in place allegiances in certain countries throughout the world along with Counter-Measures.Believe me anything these people try against China,China will already have the Counter-measure for it either Politically-Economically or Militarily.China Played them all for the Fools they are.
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by Finn on 07.06.2005 [20:45 ]
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USA spends the half of the world military costs and it is unhappy if others increase their spending. It is like the biggest guy in the block would demand that the smaller gangsters in the block are not allowed to eat hormons and exercise so that the balance of power is not shaken, and he could continue his domination.
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by Mike-Malaysia on 07.06.2005 [20:59 ]
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in that the 5 years ago is dated with the much said rigged election of Bush. That coupled with the 9-11 event which surely the Chinese must had analised and in doing so, independantly, would have come up with the conclusion that a dastardly plan was in motion.
But (with regards to other threads) I still cant imagine anyone nuking a nuke state. To do so is to sign your own death warrant.
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by dude on 07.06.2005 [21:08 ]
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the ignorant nation of monkeys will soon come to an end!
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by profile on 07.06.2005 [21:17 ]
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Mike: A way i looked at it is that China allowed Afghanistan and Iraq to be invaded (When it could have used Vetoes) inorder that it would bring the agenda for "One World Goverment" out into the open.It is Likely that China has Known about it for a very long time but unable to do much about it in the respect of going to countries and saying "Look there is this agenda for One World Goverment these countries and organisations are trying to implement"That would be based on speculation and not evidence based which gives China a "Weak Hand"When trying to form allegiances.When the election was rigged in 2000 followed by 911 then Afghanistan and Iraq Invasion along with Russia handing over on a plate to the European Union both Georgia and Ukraine along with threats against North Korea-Iran-Syria amongst others.China was then able to go to countries with the Evidence and who is involved including Putin and Russias Involvement and why.China saying the "One World Goverment" Conspiracy No longer becomes a theory based on speculation,it is now evidence based becuase of all these geo-political events.From that all these other countries realise what is in play and believe China and have ALL Sided with China Including Japan and South Korea.China allowed Certain Geo-Political events to Occur and stayed quiet inorder to bring the agenda into the open and for everyone to see which countries and organisations were involved.This is why i say "China played them all for the fools they are"
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by Xuma100 on 07.06.2005 [22:05 ]
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...A way i looked at it is that China allowed Afghanistan and Iraq to be invaded (When it could have used Vetoes) inorder that it would bring the agenda for "One World Goverment" out into the open...
Your analysis is excessively contrived. Instead of analyzing facts first and make theories later, you bend the facts to match your NWO pet conspiracy. Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor? if you really are an analyst as you pretend, then you should have.
China allowed Afghanistan and Iraq to be invaded, true, but for a simpler reason... to have the United Sods bogged down in two extremely expensive loser's wars, to have their army paralized, as well as expose their weaknesses and to accelerate their financial demise. It's so obvious I can't understand how a self-proclaimed professional analyst like you could have overlooked it.
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by Xuma100 on 07.06.2005 [22:14 ]
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...China was then able to go to countries with the Evidence...China saying the "One World Goverment" Conspiracy No longer becomes a theory based on speculation,it is now evidence based...
I've never read, heard or seen any news of China saying such things... unless, of course, you are the ambassador of the Middle Kingdom, which is very palusible. It is more probable, however, that you're just - unconsciously - inventing facts out of thin air to make your NWO petty theory seem to fall into place.
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by profile on 07.06.2005 [22:20 ]
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Xuma it is over Now For the Zionists,It is over for Israel,It is over for the European Unions,It is over for the U.S,it is over for Russia.In terms of World Power that Now has moved Straight over from West to East in the Pacific Rim Where China becomes Top Dog in the World.That will lead in Time to a Unified Middle East Under Islam.
You Should be Very Happy.Its over for the Zionists.I cant understand why you get so Upset everytime i mention that all the Zionists are being Brought Down and that China is becoming Top Dog and thyat islam will be strong.
Xuma-Why do you get so upset ?
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by Xuma100 on 07.06.2005 [22:25 ]
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...You Should be Very Happy.Its over for the Zionists...
Why do you always bring up the subject of happiness when your fictions are exposed? We were talking about your outrageous fabrication that (quote) ...China saying the "One World Goverment" Conspiracy No longer becomes a theory based on speculation .. (end quote). Please profile stop telling us bedtimne stories.
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by Xuma100 on 07.06.2005 [22:31 ]
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where I said "bedtime stories" above I should have said "blatant lies".
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by Xuma100 on 07.06.2005 [22:41 ]
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...China becomes Top Dog in the World.That will lead in Time to a Unified Middle East Under Islam...
if anyone sees how the two statements above are cause and consequence please give profile a hand.
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by Xuma100 on 07.06.2005 [22:48 ]
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My firewall reports a portscan from mirror-world.ru, I wonder what these guys are looking for that they don't dare to ask me.
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by profile on 07.06.2005 [22:56 ]
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Xuma-I will help you Iran and Syria are alligned With China.Iran has sold China all the rights to the oil and gas under its soil to be bought at at market rates.Iran has not Sold ANY Rights to U.S-Russia Or Europe,China has got it all.Therefore Iran is alligned with China and that is a strong relationship because Nobody sells all the rights to oil and gas to a country it doesnt trust.Syria Has NO Oil,Syria gets it oil from Iran.Syria has a relationship and pact with China which is WHY Syria has not been invaded by the U.S.Syria and Iran have a strong relationship together dating back to the war in Lebannon where Shiite based Hezbollah was funded and armed by Iran through Syrian Territory.Therefore Syria-Iran and China have strong relationship.Iraq sits between Syria and Iran,Part is Shiite and Part is Sunni.Iran controls to an extent the Shia in Iraq and Syria in part the Sunni.The U.S Is trying everything to incite Civil war in Iraq and that has not occurred in Iraq because of Irans and Syrias Involvement.In Time The U.S will get booted out of Iraq and inorder to reconstruct the country it will require both Iran and Syria to Help Both of which are alligned with China.China because it stopped both Syria and Iran getting invaded will end up getting the booty in Preferential oil contracts and reconstruction.and the U.S-EU-Russia-Israel will get the same amount of oil contracts that Iran gave to them which is Zippo.
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by Xuma100 on 07.06.2005 [22:58 ]
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I suggest they use my IP as DNS server (primary & secondary) in their network connection and then open their browsers... there's a nice surprise and business idea for them. Give it a try and tell me what you think.
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by profile on 07.06.2005 [23:00 ]
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So Xuma i have answered the question how China becoming Top Dog and a unified Middle East Under Islam is occuring and how it will be acheived.Can You See it ? 2+2=4
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by wings on 07.06.2005 [23:00 ]
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Instead of finding so much fault in profile's posting's, why don't you research the subject in question and answer him with your own findings? Challenge him with your truths ... otherwise, it seems you are no different with your theories than profile.
It would be nice to see profile back up his statements with factual links, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion's, wouldn't you say?
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by profile on 07.06.2005 [23:22 ]
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Those are facts Georgia and Ukraine did get passed from Russia to the European Union.Iran has sold the Rights to all its oil and gas to China.Iraq Did Get Invaded.North Korea did get threatened with Invasion.Syria and Iran have not been invaded(and i have given reasons why).The Posts are full of facts take a look at the world around and what is happening all i have done is put interpretation to the facts and given forsight.Some of those Forsights Events have latter proved that i was right on the interpretation of the facts.
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by wings on 07.06.2005 [23:56 ]
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by wings on 08.06.2005 [00:06 ]
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by Xuma100 on 08.06.2005 [00:13 ]
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...Can You See it ? 2+2=4...
You have lied so many times before that when you say 2+2=4 I have my doubts about it. You keep inventing facts that have no substantiation, like "...Iran has sold China all the rights to the oil and gas under its soil ..." which is delirious. Then you say "...Iran has not Sold ANY Rights to U.S-Russia Or Europe..." whis is even more false, and so on and son on... You pretend to be a guru, an analyst and pontificate in geoplitics when in reality you are a fiction writer with litte talent. But you got lots of attention which is what you actually come here for.
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by wings on 08.06.2005 [00:15 ]
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dependency on oil, and the fact that the middle east has the largest deposit of oil, and the least amount of oil need. What is fair about that? What middle east nation gets invaded next for it's resources? So the next step is to blow each other up for the oil? Crap on that. Start walking.
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by eureka on 08.06.2005 [00:23 ]
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""Your analysis is excessively contrived. Instead of analyzing facts first and make theories later, you bend the facts to match your NWO pet conspiracy. Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor? if you really are an analyst as you pretend, then you should have.""
I was trying to avoid entering this debate but this statement you made has left me little choice. The claim about Bush trying to implement a one world government is no 'pet conspiracy.' As a matter of fact, when Bush1 was in the white house, he too openly said that he was going to do the same. I actually saw him make the statement on television.
In addition, there is an Awareness movement in america, that I used to be affiliated with that was putting out this information from in the early 90s. They had given out potential scenarios of what could be expected as a prelude to this new world order.
Furthermore, it was also said that Adolf Hitler himself also wanted to implement a new world order, otherwise known as the Third Reich. I don't know where you are from or how old a person you are but this info has been out there now for a very long time.
Peace
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by Xuma100 on 08.06.2005 [00:54 ]
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There are huge gaping holes in profile's conspiracy theory, holes left by facts which I believe he - unconsciously - left out so that his pet NWO theory fits into place. I'll point out a few:
a. Russia and China have a mutual defence pact. In October 2004, President Vladimir Putin visited China. During the October meeting, both China and Russia declared that Sino-Russian relations had reached "unparalleled heights". In addition to settling long-standing border issues, Moscow and Beijing agreed to hold joint military exercises in 2005. This marks the first large-scale military exercises between Russia and China since 1958.
b. Russia signed specific agreements with China on oil exports. Russia's oil shipments to China are slated to reach 10 million tons in 2005, increasing to 15 million tons in 2006. In October 2004, the China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC) and Russia's Gazprom signed a series of agreements intended to study how Russia can best supply natural gas to China.
c. More indicative of Russia's deepening energy relations with China are the circumstances surrounding the renationalization of Russian oil major Yukos. Yukos was the only Russian company exporting oil to China. This was done to the detriment of the United States and an aborted acquisition by Exxon. China's involvement in the renationalization of Yukos represents the most significant foreign participation in Russia's highly guarded oil sector.
d. Beijing, as well as Moscow, has supplied Tehran with advanced missiles and missile technology since the mid-1980s. In addition to anti-ship missiles like the Silkworm, China has sold Iran surface-to-surface cruise missiles and, along with Russia, assisted in the development of Iran's long-range ballistic missiles. This assistance included the development of Iran's Shihab-3 and Shihab-4 missiles, with a range of about 2,000 kilometers. Iran is also reportedly developing missiles with ranges approaching 3,000 kilometers. China's and Russia's sales of missiles and missile technology as well as missile development assistance contravenes the US-Irannon-proliferation act of 2000.
e. In the past several years a number of Chinese and Russian companies have faced US sanctions for selling missiles and missile technology to Iran. Rather than slowing or stopping such sales, the pace of missile acquisition and development in Iran has accelerated.
f. Russia is building Iran's nuclear plant and is defending it with missiles. After much wrangling and repeated US intervention, Russia and Iran finally signed, in February, a deal clearing the way for the shipment of Russian nuclear fuel to Iran's nuclear power plant at Bushehr.
g. Russia is defending Syria with missiles.
h. Russia is prepared for war with the US.
i. Iran is about to open its own oil bourse in EURO (de facto giving oil to the EU for free)
j. Russia is going to join in the move to the Euro
k. Europe of course favours the move to the Euro.
So reality is a lot more complicated than the fiction stories of good-guys, bad-guys and top-dogs that pseudo-guru and crystal-ball gazer profile concocted to catapult himself to the fame.
Actually profile's main task in here is badmouthing the EU and Russia while - almost discreetly - hogwashing the United States and totally ignoring Israel... unless forced to do so by popular pressure.
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by Xuma100 on 08.06.2005 [01:18 ]
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...he claim about Bush trying to implement a one world government is no 'pet conspiracy...
Tell us something new eureka.. imperialism has existed since the time of the Pharao's... but somehow the word "imperialism" is not fashionable anymore and some attention seekers came up with the more marketable expression "New World Order". I don't like the bombastic expression NWO because it has been proposed by the Imperialist themselves in order to retire good old "imperialism" from circulation and make those using the new expression sound like nutty conspiracy theoricists to be laughed at. Use the term imperialism and you'll command more respect.
The United Sodomites are just as imperialist a they have ever been, and if they ever disappear from the relevant geopolitical landscape, whatever results afterwards will also be a "New World Order", strictly speaking, albeit one where the USA will be irrelevant. So let me laugh at that silly term and call the imperialists by their names.
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by Xuma100 on 08.06.2005 [01:50 ]
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...Georgia and Ukraine did get passed from Russia to the European Union...
profile is still insisting in portraying Russia as an enemy of the EU. I see it differently. I believe it is no chance that Putin's second language is German and not English, it is an indication of the direction - on of the directions - Russia is moving towards, and I see a future integration the EU possible. That would piss off immensely those howler monkeys across tha Atlantic that profile so much cherishes as "victims"
...The Posts are full of facts take a look at the world around and what is happening all i have done is put interpretation to the facts...
you are a person of few facts and lots of interpretation. Actually what you call "facts" are sketchy factoids carefully selected to fit in your world view, while you ignore - unconsciously - big chunks the size of Mount Everest tha don't fit in your tunel vision.
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by eureka on 08.06.2005 [02:05 ]
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Thanks for engaging; actually, I wasn't trying to defend profile, I was just trying to substantiate one of his claims that I know happen to be true. I don't have a defence against his other claims but I assure you that I am an open-minded person and usually don't dismiss anything whether I agree with it or not unless I can prove it to be false. I think that we need to respect one another's opinion here, because you know what? none of us have all the answers. But I know one thing, we all learn something from each other here.
Peace
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by Xuma100 on 08.06.2005 [02:30 ]
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...because you know what? none of us have all the answers...
you are wrong.. profile has. What annoys me the most from this Zionist plant is his arrogance.. "...I pointed this Out Months and Months ago...and have been proved right..." or another "... Common sense,Logic and an ability to interpret geo-political events...." he's talking about himself, of course, and another "...the situations Now occuring in that Pacific Rim area are proving right what i said a long long time ago ..." or this one "... All the Time i have said the U.S-Europe-Russia-Israel work together..." or this "...I cant be more plainer than that.I have explained What will happen and the reasons why it will happen..."
So you see? someone among us has either all of the answers, or all of the arrogance.
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by wings on 08.06.2005 [03:02 ]
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This time Xuma, I must say, you stated your case well, and in my estimation, it was above reproach. Some may still believe you have insulted "someone," but for myself, your last statement was the icing on the cake.
"someone among us has either all of the answers, or all of the arrogance."
Thank you.
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by wings on 08.06.2005 [03:05 ]
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The Iranian's know their worth ... and they are not stupid.
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by Yasis on 08.06.2005 [05:10 ]
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That's right the first Bush did say that "New World Order" statement. Lots of conspiracy theory sites mention that too.
But what did Bush MEANT by a "new world order"? At that time, the cold war was coming to an end and the soviet union was breaking up. The most logical and rational conclusion to arrive at here was that Bush was talking about a new geopolitical order in the world, with the end of the cold war.
Those websites could never prove that what Bush Sr refered to was their "version" of new world order.
It's like I'm an american in some desert in arabia and I ask the natives:" hey dude, you have a camel?"
The native would say:"Ya, I have four camels, they are very sturdy creatures in the desert."
I would go:" No, dude, I meant the cigarette, camel. You got some cigarettes to light up?"
See the confusion when the same word means differently to different people?
To George Bush Sr, the "new world order" was just some pompous phrase cooked up by some stupid staff writer to make the speech a bit more splashy.
The americans do that all the time.
To the conspiracy theorists, that "new world order" was proof enough to them that the "illumanti one world government" thing was real.
But they could never give solid evidence of anything. Just like the US giving satellite photos saying that Iraq had secret weapons facilities. It was all just bullshit. Those photos meant nothing.
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by Little-Bit-of-God on 08.06.2005 [08:01 ]
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there are at least 2 factions to this NWO. This notion is polarising many of us to the point of conflict.
Some say there is no conspiracy. I disagree. The "theory" is what is being speculated upon, that there is a conspiracy is fact. Otherwise there is just a random set of coincidences occurring. This is possible to a certain extent, but some events are just too orchestrated. I'm not trying to convince anybody here about this, just expressing my opinion and resonating with the like minded individuals in this world.
I'm noticing that when one person is constantly attacked whether with "facts" or "insults", I tend to view the attacker with suspicion.
Let nobody speak on behalf of anybody, just for themselves. I am all for agreeing or not with the opinions of others
The truth will come out at some point (I hope) but it doesn't really matter who has the handle on it.
I concur with wings, that "we are all in this together".
We better wake up. Soon!
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by Yasis on 08.06.2005 [08:20 ]
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"that there is a conspiracy is fact." What conspiracy is fact?
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by Mike-Malaysia on 08.06.2005 [08:38 ]
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Really, none of know about Profile. Probably, none of us know much about each other. But, if Profile is a Berlspeiler then that doesn't negate his comments that do have substance in them. It only means the false aspects of what he says should be disregarded, as should the conclusions we are supposed to draw from his posts. I find some things he says as being very hard to accept but some things do have substance.
Russia 'handed' Georgia and Ukraine over shockingly easily and yet there still apeears to be a link between Ukraine and Russia (Viktor Yushchenko wants to allow the Russian and UK oil companies to charge whatever it likes for oil products), Russia steered well clear in trying to refute the serious allegations Yushchenko dioxin poisoning. China and Russia (and France) DID NOT veto action vs. Afghanistan or Iraq (with reference to the one that talked of serious consequences - the term the USUK jumped on to mean a green light for war was given). China, Russia and France not tabling an emergency security council resolution to ensure that a vote relating specifically to military action MUST be taken before any invasion of Iraq occurs, or would call the USUK's bluff (and expose the lies that they were trying to go throught the UN route) that it was going to invade anyway by vetoing the emergency motion.
These points (esp. the relating to the UN) have not been satisfactorily explained by anyone. Most likely meaning something is going down here that we dont know about. Profile's opinion should be listened to (as everyones should) in regards to this matter. If Profiles opinion still seems ridiculous upon completion of a borad based discussion then fine, dont listen to him.
Maybe this question will help settle the somewhat: Profile, Whats your view on SenderBerl?
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by Mike-Malaysia on 08.06.2005 [08:46 ]
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But Profile. If China veto'd the action and the USUK went ahead anyway, then it would have exposed the NWO. Also how could China say Russia is involved (due to Russias inaction, Georgia, Ukraine etc), when the Chinese themselves did nothing either. By that Logic China is also NWO. China didn't even respond to the US's bombing of its embassy, and the US spy plane that landed in China ended in an extraordinary way - in the Americans favour. Can you imagine what would happen to an Iranian spy plane operating off the coast of America? and what would happen if it was forced to land at a USAF base? Are the tensions between China and Japan an illusion? that seems difficult to accept. Millions (I think) of chinese were killed as a result of Japanese actions in WW2.
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by Little-Bit-of-God on 08.06.2005 [09:00 ]
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Blair and Bush and their handlers, conspired to invade Iraq.
Is that a fact, Yasis?
What is the G8 summit? are you yourself going to have a say in the agenda they set out? It doesn't matter whether you say yes or no.
Just tell me there are no conspiracies then.
I've got to go now, but I will check back in 8 hours or so to receive your reply.
Peace.
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by Mike-Malaysia on 08.06.2005 [09:02 ]
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But Xuma100, If China 'allowed' Afghanistan and Iraq, so the US would end up in financial ruin - why? Isn;t the US one of the greatest consumers of Chinese products and one of the greatest 'outsourcers' to China? One could say the US is significantly responsible for Chinese growth.??
The news of a port scan by mirror-world is worring Xuma. Will the moderators please ask the Editor to comment???
@Profile how can it be 'over' for Russia? Russia is the the worlds greatest oil producer (ot No 2 after Saudi) and its EU/US 'Caspian sea' countries are said to be sitting on HUGE oil reserves. Russia has good relations with India - a Huge future consumer. Russia has good relations with Venezuela, another Huge oil producer. Vialls says Russia has advanced deep drilling technology which is a boon for oil extraction.
If Syria (link to Iraq's sunnis) and Iran (link to Iraqs Shiia) are allied with China, then Iraq would have been 'with' China too. So why did the US invade Iraq and not Syria? The US invaded Iraq for iraqs oil didn't it? surely the illegal invasion of Iraq doesn't go deeper than that?
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by Yasis on 08.06.2005 [09:31 ]
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"Blair and Bush and their handlers, conspired to invade Iraq."
Yes, this is fact beyond doubt. Just like the Sun rises in the east and sets in the west. Just like in 1956 when UK, France and Israel conspired to invade Egypt.
Now come to think of it, UK always like to invade middle eastern countries.
Syria, lebanon, Iraq and Iran in 1941. Egypt in 1956. Iraq again in 1991 and 2003. Man these countries better start to develop nukes fast or they'll get an invasion every 50 years.
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by profile on 08.06.2005 [09:47 ]
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Mike:I will try and answer your questions as i see it:China stayed quiet and watched the situation over the years.With Russia:Georgia and Ukraine were part of Russian territory.When the U.S infiltrated these countries through democratic reforms financed by the Soros institute.America was a player.The Benefactor was the EU and Not the U.S Because both Georgia and Ukraine submitted requests to join the EU,Russia allowed that to happen territories are assetts with land mass-resources and population,it is not the same as handing a country a chocolate bar and saying there you go pal.Massive Assetts Went from Russia to the EU and Putin freely allowed that to happen meaning Putin was in agreement with that situation because if Putin and Russia were not in agreement then 300,000 Russian troops would have entered Ukraine and Georgia.That Shows a Menage de Trois between the U.S-Russia-EU.The Very Moment Putin and Russia did that China would have lost all trust in Russia.And Every other Country would have seen that 3 relationship.Now Russia may think it is with and truly alligned with China but i assure you China will not be with or alligned with russia in time of war.In peace time it is not in Chinas interest to scream and shout and make waves,China stays quiet and watches what is going on.War is a very Different Situation.
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by Mike-Malaysia on 08.06.2005 [10:00 ]
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Illuminati symbolism is well documented.
What about phraseology?
Bush=NWO
Hitler's NWO = Third Reich
Tony bLiar = Third way
coincidence maybe, but the temperature is plummeting to chilling levels!
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by paul pawlowski on 08.06.2005 [10:00 ]
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by profile on 08.06.2005 [10:01 ]
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Every Country saw what happened and the Dynamics in play between the U.S-EU and Russia with Georgia and Ukraine.Including Syria and Iran amongst others.If Putin and Russia did not defend Georgia and Ukraine of which came directly under a Russian mandate.Then Why would Russia defend either Syria or Iran.There is a very simple answer to that Russia would Not Defend Syria or Iran and both those countries know that.China stood up for both countries which is why they havent already been invaded.And The relationship between those countries is strong-China pulls the strings there and not anyone else.Countries can be only taken over in 3 ways.(1) either Militarily(as is the case with Iraq).(2) Causing some Kind of Military Coop.(3)Infiltrating Internal Infastructure via creating Democratic reforms(as was the case with Ukraine and Georgia etc).China can not be taken over in the first 2 ways China has nukes and a potential army of millions upon millions.The power Structure in China runs from the CMC (Chinese Military Council) which the Chinese has designed to run assymetrically.Making it impossible to take out.The Third way of infiltrating China through Democratic reforms.China Slammed the door Shut to this avenue.Around Sept 2004 Jiang Zemin and Hu Jintao gave a speech saying Democracy is a dead end for China within days they arrested 2 Journalists and accused them of spying.Executed 4 Bankers for Corruption and came down hard on any political or religious group in China.That is Closing down avenues from infiltration.
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by Xuma100 on 08.06.2005 [10:05 ]
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But Xuma100, If China 'allowed' Afghanistan and Iraq, so the US would end up in financial ruin - why?
China hasits own interests in both Afghanistan and Iraq, and it is not playing "benefactor". Chian acted passively to the invasoin of Afghanistan because Beijing's Xinjiang province is also vulnerable to Islamic subversion from Afghanistan. The last thing China wants is a rebel province bordering Afghanistan. China is also making substantial economic inroads in Central Asia. It is therefore in its interest to ensures that Central Asia remains ideologically secular and politically stable. The prospect of a strong Taliban regime in Afghanistan is an unsettling one for China, therefore it chose a "laissez faire" attitude and allowed the United Sods to do the dirty work for them, knowing that US presence in Afghanistan would pose more problems to the US itself than to China.
In relation to Iraq China's interests are obscure, what else other than the oil should worry them there? China took a low-profile stance on U.S. military action in Iraq, China did not represent as strong an opposition as fellow permanent members of the United Nations Security Council such as France and Russia. Putin, Jacques Chirac, and Schroeder met in St Petersburg to map out a common strategy on post-war Iraq, but China was absent from the meeting. Some say the Chinese government was quietly lobbying the U.S. for a sizeable role in reconstruction and infrastructure projects in Iraq. Beijing has a long history of participation in civil engineering and other works in Middle East countries, including Iraq. So I guess China is up to its ears in the NWO as well, as our known Zionist guest would say, I prefer to see it as a purely pragmatic game of vested interests.
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by profile on 08.06.2005 [10:14 ]
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The moment China closed that avenue for infiltration into its internal infastructure was the moment China was not involved in their scheme of "One World Goverment".It was Not part of the gang and there was very little those other countries could do to change the situation.Mike You are right about them Industrialising China.There reason for heavily industriialising China was not only for Financial Benefit it was a way of keeping China in Check.Industry requires Energy supply the heavy and greater the industrial base the more energy it requires.Therefore the NWO idea was to industrialise China and for the NWO to control the Energy Supply and routes.Therefore Creating a dynamic of the "Drug Addict with the Drug Pusher"Everytime that Drug addict refuses to do what the Drug pusher requires the Drug pusher limits the flow of oil and energy to industrialised China.That situation has Not occured because China has gone out and secured its own independant oil supply.Therefore China has freed itself from potential coercian-blackmail.The alliances that China has formed independantly and the route it has taken and Exactly what has occured as can be seen in the World today.Is Proof that China has known what their agenda was and who its real enemies are.
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by Xuma100 on 08.06.2005 [10:21 ]
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...Putin and Russia did not defend Georgia and Ukraine of which came directly under a Russian mandate...
You say that because you're stuck with the idea that defence has to be relized by military means. You believe that presidents in satellite countries do matter. You saw the hordes of orange flag-waving fools on TV and bought the "revolution" wholesale. But it is not like that. Every society today depends on a stable, affordable energy supply, and Ukraine is no exception. Who governs the Ukraine, its president or the owners of the oil taps? Russia owns the lever that opens and closes the oil supply, the Eastern half of the Ukraine is pro-Russian and that has not changed a bit. Yeah we see the faces of new clowns on Ukrainian TV but that is for entertainment value, in the end Russia's interests in Ukraine are preserved. As long as there's no physical invasion of Ukraine by foreign troops you won't see the military action you were expecting from Russia.
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by stopwar on 08.06.2005 [10:31 ]
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If the US builds a working, space-based system, this will obviously provide difficulties for China. Now the US is buying land in Iraq, this must increase their scope for a "Star Wars" system close to the Chinese border.
Are the US building "Missile Defence" ground stations in other "conquered territories" like Afghanistan and Kuwait, I wonder?
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by Mike-Malaysia on 08.06.2005 [10:44 ]
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Yasis. Your inability to answer questions is very concerning.
You were asked about the invasion of Iraq conspiracy to see if
you belived in conspiracy. Previously you said no, now you say yes.
I seem to recall similiar tactics elsewhere.
Also What about G8; What is the philosophy behing G8?
How do you view G8 in relation to NWO/Imperialism?
@ Profile. Why would America infiltrate Ukraine IF Russia and the US are 'on the same team' and why would Russia 'pass' the Ukraine to the EU/US? I dislike analogies these days but feel this one appropriate. It would be like taking $10 out of your wallet and giving it you yourself! Useless endevour.
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