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Galloway says he smoked Cuban cigar in US senate
By: dawn.com on: 20.05.2005 [06:48 ] (6138 reads)
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by stopwar on 20.05.2005 [07:29 ]
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He needs to be careful. That sort of "rebellious schoolboy" action will turn off a lot of people who should be his supporters. Including me!
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by intissar1 on 20.05.2005 [07:44 ]
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He was denouncing smartly and with class the embargo against Cuba.
Over and above may I remind you when he needed it and with him the Iraqi people not only you voted LibDem but you actively promoted the uselessness to support Respect. Amen.
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by Bettyswallocks on 20.05.2005 [07:45 ]
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It is called having a sense of humour and at times like this I welcome it. GG is far from perfect; but Britian is the pits of the earth regarding any effective oppositon to the war and this man is the only show in town.
BS
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by danieldives on 20.05.2005 [07:55 ]
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by stopwar on 20.05.2005 [07:56 ]
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he should also show respect. I probably sound like a stuffed shirt, but I stand by what I said. I've supported Respect all along, and actually voted Green in the end because the result was a foregone conclusion in my area. I might have joined Respect and have even become an activist, but this has put me off.
It will also put others off. That was my point.
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by Mike-Malaysia on 20.05.2005 [07:56 ]
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stopwar. how could that turn you off? I x understand. He's just completing the wave of visctory over the completely idiotic witchhunt conducted against him. Let him have his moment, after all, you too would be buzzing after you firmly beat the slime back into the cesspit from whence they came. :)
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by stopwar on 20.05.2005 [08:08 ]
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You are right, Mike - this could easily be taken as a "one off" gesture. However, Blair is taking on this "moralistic" respect theme, and I'm sure that was deliberate. He claims to have struck a chord with the electorate, and will milk that for all it is worth. Galloway doesn't appear to have as many skeletons in his cupboard as Blair, and needs to retain the upper hand to have max effect when Blair's cover re possible immoral activities does get blown.
See what I mean?
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by Mike-Malaysia on 20.05.2005 [08:19 ]
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Should one respect a fascist movment that shows a complete lack of respect.?
Should onw respect those responsible for the deaths of 100,000 and counting. Come on stopwar. Any organisation contains elelements of things that irk us from time to time. Dont let such a small thing deter you from backing a movement which is perhaps the most clean political organisation around.
I thought you were going to voete Lib Dem for tactical reasons?
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by danieldives on 20.05.2005 [08:31 ]
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Dear SW, MM,
When you opponents will leave no stone un-turned to find anything to terminate you with, it is wise not to supply them with any ammo to do so.
On the other hand, it is Galloway's right to do what he does/did ...
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by danieldives on 20.05.2005 [08:32 ]
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you = your
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by stopwar on 20.05.2005 [08:32 ]
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Of course I wouldn't let it deter me. The cause of Freedom for Iraq is much greater. I would have voted tactically for the libdems, if there was any hope of getting labour out through my vote. I would even have voted conservative in a two way split marginal constituency - the labour party has blood on its hands!!
At least Galloway is his own man, is being himself. At least he has a spine. At least he can engage with a lawyer's tricky language. At least he can use allegory effectively. So many "well meaning" politicians are just useless at getting the message across.
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by stopwar on 20.05.2005 [08:35 ]
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he can get away with it the once, especially after such a stunning performance. But he shouldn't make a habit of it!
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by skummijummy on 20.05.2005 [09:08 ]
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a joint after his speech...
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by Mike-Malaysia on 20.05.2005 [09:22 ]
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I disagree.
When opposition becomes silence, it is a lie.
Why should Galloway not keep up the pressure against the rot slime. What about us? We post one article and then have to shut up becasue we must respect those bastards. Why should we expect GG to follow such behavior? Shouldn't we be looking in the mirror?
You did indicate it would deter people, inc yourself. You said so in your 06:29 post. If what you meant was it's time to move onto the next pahse then perhaps as this great triumph has already been written.
GG is just completing the firing of the last arrows of this particular quiver. Let him. He still has the upper hand. What happened on Capitol Hill, was historic, more momentous perhaps than his election victory. He, and none of us here, who espouse to follow the truth and in the interests of humanity should ever allow these scum to get the 'closure' and 'move on' they desperately push for.
Now that a far greater portion of the world has heard of GG, and is therefore a lot more 'newsworthy', what if every action of GG that contains an element of 'indication of victory' is reported. Dont interpret it as though GG is slipping on the moral plinth. I dont think that bLiar is making headway in his utterly insincere moralistic sham of a progression of 'repsectful politics'
Your view of 'cause of Freedom for Iraq is much greater' is why I respect you so much, but your earlier posts on this thread, seems like this report was a bit of a thorn in your side.
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by picard-fortune-500 on 20.05.2005 [10:11 ]
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smoke Cuban cigars (like Schwartzeneggar) albeit surreptitiously. It's a small act of defiance that's ok as long as he didn't inhale. :>)
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by Mike-Malaysia on 20.05.2005 [11:28 ]
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LOL at PF500 :) But knowing Georgie baby, he would inhale and but not lie about it afterwards!
LOL
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by Peter on 20.05.2005 [11:49 ]
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that he has upset the zionist mob. They will not forget. I hope he watches his back. The last thing we want is for him to be killed in a car"accident".
Do not put anything passed zionism.
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by hellsbells on 20.05.2005 [13:10 ]
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could the yankees have arrested GG on the technicality of having an illicit cigar in his luggage?
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by picard-fortune-500 on 20.05.2005 [13:14 ]
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I don't think so. As an MP he has diplomatic immunity. At any rate the customs officials failed to nail him at the airport. Too late now.
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by Mike-Malaysia on 20.05.2005 [13:26 ]
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There were many calls to 'give that man a cigar'. They probably did :)
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by hayate on 20.05.2005 [14:17 ]
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Good points.
Every victory against the ameroisraeli 21st century nazi should be rubbed into their faces continually. Actually, ground into their faces with one's heel. The ameroisraeli 21st century nazi is wont to move on and bury their defeats under pr horseshit. This time, GG buried them under his own pr shenaniggans and did so quite creatively.
Smoking a Cuban cigar in washington was an excellent 'fuck you' to these ameroisraeli 21st century nazis, it may turn off a stuffed shirt or two, but it will inspire defiance in far more against these ameroisraeli 21st century nazis and their puppets world-wide.
That is what is needed now. Animated defiance that grabs the intellect at gut level.
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by stopwar on 20.05.2005 [15:24 ]
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if he KEEPS playing the "rebel schoolboy prank" card.
I said there is a greater cause, and GG can't be expected to be other than true to himself. The antiwar loves him for what he is, and you know from my previous posts what I think of him. But I say cool it a little, that's all... If you think that is a thorn in my side, fine. But I stand by it.
As I've said many times, in the eyes of the masses you don't defeat bad people by going down to their level. That's why the honourable way to defeat Blair and Bush is not e.g. to smear their sex lives, but expose their record on producing body bags. GG does the latter brilliantly.
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by intissar1 on 20.05.2005 [16:15 ]
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What has to do a cigar with sex-live.
Honourable way ? Have you smoked man. Against criminals like those one ... only " any mean necessary " will do.
BTW the "rebel schoolboy prank" is what people want they are sick and tired of the constipated bunch of liars that call themselves politicians ... as Yesterday's BBC Question Time with may I add Galloway has yet once again demonstrated.
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by WarehouseEyes on 20.05.2005 [16:24 ]
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The Royal Turd
Our Queen is presently in Canada, and last night was shown on TV attending a huge gala in Saskatchewan. Among the performers was Buffy Ste-Marie, who sang her “Universal Soldier” anti-war protest song, which squarely puts the blame for war on the soldiers who agree to fight, and appeals to them not to do so, as the only way to stop war. The naked truth usually being taboo, like George Galloway’s performance in Washington, her brave performance in front of the Royals might have been seen as confrontational, as I’m sure it was intended to be. We sure need more like her, and George.
Afterwards, Queenie passed along the line of performers, shaking everyone’s hand, wearing gloves so she wouldn’t catch cooties from any of the commoners. Buffy Ste-Marie not only shook her hand, but gave her an earful, in 5 seconds. What she said we don’t know, as the nervous CBC TV camera editor hit the panic button as soon as he saw Buffy begin speaking to her, changing the point of view so we couldn’t even try to lip-read what Buffy was saying to her. A shame, that such a coward was in a position of control.
Flashback: In 1964, as a student in residence at McGill in Montreal, I met an older student who had been a Canadian Naval Cadet. I don’t remember if he saw this first-hand, or if he learned of it from another sailor, but he told a story of an event that took place on the Royal Yacht. As one of the justifications for the monarchy, the Royals propagate the notion that they are better than everyone else, and this notion became the subject of long-running and earnest discussion amongst the crew.
Finally, someone came up with a bright idea-to capture a Royal Turd, to use as a specimen, to see if a Royal Turd was any different from a common turd. One of the ship’s engineers volunteered his services, and after installing a valve to reroute the plumbing from the Royal Toilet, a lookout was posted. Down in the bowels of the ship, a large glass Mason jar was placed right under a pipe that had been opened up, awaiting delivery. Sure enough, after breakfast, a servant passed word that the Queen had
entered the Royal Loo. The excitement among the crew was electric, and pretty soon, delivery was made, as a rather large and stately Royal Turd plopped into the waiting glass jar.
The jar was capped, the pipe rejoined, and, as their duties allowed it, almost the entire crew, including officers, came down to inspect the Royal Turd. They passed by in single file, holding their hats in hand, which they had removed out of respect. Other than the Turd’s bearing a slight resemblance to a profile of Princess Margaret, there was nothing out of the ordinary, no specks of gold, nothing magnificent about it at all. And so, the argument was settled. The Royals were evidently just like anybody else.
When the revolution begins, it will not be fought by people who are too timid to smoke a Cuban cigar without asking permission. However, it will be fought by people who are too wise to smoke tobacco, except perhaps to make a point, as I’m sure George Galloway was doing.
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by stopwar on 20.05.2005 [16:53 ]
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it is a matter of protocol. "When in Rome, do as the Romans do." You can follow protocol and still show defiance.
Of course I've smoked! Galloway must have known he was breaking protocol in all sorts of ways, and under normal circumstances he should be ashamed of himself, and a lawsuit against him would be quite legitimate. As these were NOT normal circumstances it is a grey area. He got away with it, but shouldn't try that sort of thing again because it is likely to backfire. I'm surprised you can't see that.
I'm very pleased that Buffy St Marie said her piece, however. She was an idol of mine back in the times of "Soldier Blue". Looks like she showed defiance without breaking protocol.
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by stopwar on 20.05.2005 [16:58 ]
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Yes, I totally agree. A vital part of the human spirit.
Regarding sex lives, I was referring to a debate on a previous thread - about someone called Gannon. "Any means necessary" implies that the ends justify the means. That is what USUK used to justify going into Iraq. You are again allowing yourself to be dragged down to their level, because of the awesome wickedness of their crimes. That is their karma. It will ripen. They will pay.
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by stopwar on 20.05.2005 [17:02 ]
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it was worth watching when Robin Day was chairing it. David Dimbleby is far too establishment, and only occasionally does a member of the audience get a telling comment through.
I'm sure George Galloway would have been restricted by such a forum, as was Michael Moore when he appeared.
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by longshanks on 20.05.2005 [17:58 ]
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i agree. george i'm sure knows that the zionist pigs are reeling at him and to be quite honest i was shocked when george drank water from the glass at the hearing in the USA. If i were him i would get a full independant health check up in case there was some kind of time delayed poison in it! Again george pls do not let your guard down now and employ only the most trustworthy of your people to watch your back and front! peace to all those who support justice and reject zionism and it's cronies.
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by DevilsAdvocate on 20.05.2005 [18:59 ]
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Stopwar.... where on earth are you coming from? One minute you're on about being anti-war, which implies anti-establishment, and then you're on about "following protocol"!! Protocol set by... er.... the establishment ! I understand your concern for GG, but you in turn must understand his reasons for doing it. Far from being a schoolboy prank, it was a gesture of defiance against a body of men not fit to rule. Well done, George! He is beating them at their game by not playing by their rules.... kapish?
WHE... what a great story! :)
The account of GG on Question Time is also amazing.... apparently he had the audience in rapturous applause and ripped up 2 plants for toilet paper.... wish I'd seen it.
George, if you're reading this, you don't have to take on our fight on your own. The problem belongs to ALL of us, and we must ALL do our little bit to add to the greater good.
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by stopwar on 20.05.2005 [19:18 ]
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and for any newbies to this site... I have been one of George Galloway's staunchest supporters since the first time I saw him at an antiwar rally, and yeah I was delighted by his oratory performance in the Senate.
He beat them hands down. No question. Fantastic story. Even the BBC had to acknowledge him.
There was no need to do more. No need to abuse reporters, no need to smoke a cigar. If he had left there and then, the only media images that could have been portrayed would have been positive ones. As it was, the media rejected much of the good stuff to show a clip of Galloway namecalling with right-wing journalists.
I'm not saying I'm right. Just adding my opinion. Yes, I'm antiwar. And I do stick by "when in Rome do as the Romans do". We Buddhists are much misunderstood :)
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by .antiestablishmentarianist on 20.05.2005 [19:34 ]
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by .antiestablishmentarianist on 20.05.2005 [19:42 ]
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Most of the Royals are batty, ugly, stemming from the privileged Kings conceiving at old age and from being inbread.
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by dude on 20.05.2005 [20:13 ]
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GG gave it to those boys in the royal shoot if you ask me. Nothing wrong with a touch of arrogance. He desereves it!
If the black people of america never spoke out, they'd still be at the back of the bus!! Sometimes you got to let protocol go. When in Rome, burn the temple down!!
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by stopwar on 20.05.2005 [20:22 ]
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It's no good burning the temple down if there's no-one there to support you...
It is all about public support. Govts know that, and GG knows that. If the govt controls the will of the people you are wasting your time. If the people are unhappy with the govt (as in the UK atm) you're in with a chance. The govt may try to create a media perception that they are popular, but when it comes to what people think on the streets that perception is no longer there.
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by Seele on 20.05.2005 [21:26 ]
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We should thank the SUN very much ! Thank you SUNSCUM, thank you very much ! You could not have delivered a heavier blow to the US efforts just trying to present themself as "respectfull and humanous" to muslim tradition and islamic religion in front of the world !
I therefore hope the IR will not worry about these photos - but instead kill all hostages currently held in Iraq with the exception of journalists.
So that the SUN and the US can feel that insults on muslims will always result in killed kuffahs ! These photos are highly contraditious to what Condi-Rice had just said on "the US respects muslim religion and s.o.". But on the other hand these photos show even more - they show that:
1.) The USans are stupid morons (so nothing we did not know before)
2.) The US is still violating the geneva convention ( so nothing new as well)
3.) It perfectly shows that the US is loosing this war - as they (the USans) with this photos, have been proving, that they already need to use photos of a half-naked muslim to attack/confront the IR, because they cannot harm the IR in any other way, while fataly getting their own ass kicked in Iraq every day !
4.) The photos remind every muslim of the fact the Usans and the Israelis are the enemy of god, give a fuck to the muslim religion, the geneva conventions and have no honour resp. do not even know this word, and that therefore, no doubt, it is the holy deed of every muslim to kill these animals where-and-whenever you meet them.
5) Considering point 1 to 4 one can say that the SUN has done the IR a great deed by publishing these photos, as these photos are heavily boosting the IR symphatizers as well as the IR itself. These photos give the moral legitimation to wage war against the US occupiers and all infidels, staying in muslim countries, a much more violently and merciless way than before, and are therefore enormously counter-productive to the US efforts in Iraq !
( These photos will have the same effect on the iraqis as the Abu Ghuraib scandal or as the desecration of the coran had on the whole muslim world -> inciting them to erase the Usraelis from the face of the earth by any means !)
So to all of you I can only say : "Don t worry - be HAPPY !
Allahu Ekbar !
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by Seele on 20.05.2005 [21:49 ]
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..yes, they tried to fuck him off, and so he turned round, fucking them from behind - which was something they did not except !
Gives me a big smile, seeing these USraeli scum bums, getting/ being fucked their own way !
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by stopwar on 21.05.2005 [00:24 ]
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I surrender. Yes, this week George Galloway has walked on water and noone will touch him. But next week is a different matter... I hope he realises that.
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by wings on 21.05.2005 [01:17 ]
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by wings on 21.05.2005 [01:22 ]
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by westcoast on 21.05.2005 [02:43 ]
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Support the Cuban people and end US sanctions. You might like the result, stopwar.
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by Seele on 21.05.2005 [04:53 ]
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by .antiestablishmentarianist on 21.05.2005 [05:22 ]
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by Syrian on 21.05.2005 [08:20 ]
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I support every single action done by this brave, great man. If someone is too uptight to vote for him from these actions, then it's their own fault.
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by Anti-aggression on 21.05.2005 [08:46 ]
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That will surely be a revolution! What better way to end oppression then to start at the germinating ground.
Charity begins at home!
Victory to Galloway!
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by danieldives on 21.05.2005 [10:27 ]
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Dear MM, All,
Quote: When opposition becomes silence, it is a lie. Why should Galloway not keep up the pressure against the rot slime. What about us? We post one article and then have to shut up becasue we must respect those bastards. Why should we expect GG to follow such behavior? Shouldn't we be looking in the mirror?
Reply: This is not meant to tell George what to do, or not.
I agree with SW, in that we face a cause much more important than playing some tricks. Again, George is free to do what he wants to do.
One diver asks his fellow diver "What's ya gonna do with that big knife of yours?!"
"I"ll use it when a shark attacks!"
"Ha, ha, ha," says diver 1 "You can't stab a shark with that. He'll kill ya!"
"I know," says diver 2 " That's why I'll stab you"
I don't want George to stab himself with all those sharks out there, that's all.
He slam-dunked the entire committe in his pocket. I hope he'll stay onthat track and kicks @ss all around. I was and still am very much impressed, his deliverance was brillant, his timing unique, and his punch-lines devastating. It was as if I watched a verbal re-run of Muhammed Ali's match against Sonny Liston in May '65 ....
I hope George maintains his high-caliber debate style and knocks out a few more people who have to be kicked out of office ...
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by stopwar on 21.05.2005 [11:41 ]
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by -guest- on 21.05.2005 [11:48 ]
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by stopwar on 21.05.2005 [11:56 ]
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by stopwar on 21.05.2005 [12:10 ]
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by Little-Bit-of-God on 21.05.2005 [13:16 ]
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that was an excellent documentary. It should be disturbing viewing to all who see it and rightly so. What a pity that the the People are mostly in a stupor. It is inevitable that the US is on the verge of being repossessed by the bankers and it's becoming alarmingly obvious that its too late for anything to be done to counter it. Get ready to survive the 21st century holocaust that threatens to engulf us all. I'm sorry that many will be swept away. It's up to the few enlightened individuals to make their arrangements. Survival will be the responsibility of the individual, I'm afraid. What we do afterwards will be easier to determine once the smoke clears.
Galloway is definitely a honourable man in my opinion, and I hope he survives because he is certainly a "high value" target.
The US military is being deliberately degraded in Iraq. It is an act of betrayal by the treacherous US administration. Its up to us to see the game being played out by the bankers and their lackeys in their quest to bring about their NWO. I say again that nation states have no meaning for them, so we should not be counting on this country or that.
Profile is giving an accurate picture, I'm sorry to say. The Bankers will be going after China next when the US has been taken. Only if the People wake up can all this be prevented, and without armed conflict because indeed we are only one massed thought away from Utopia.
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