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'Promise Keepers' Mind Control Techniques
By: Anton Chaitkin on: 08.03.2005 [06:52 ] (2186 reads)
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by AlQanat on 08.03.2005 [13:15 ]
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It is surprising how the US society is ill and its power structures are formed by this lost humanity.
I'm surprised also to read about " techniques are congruent with those developed by the British military and intelligence services through the Tavistock psychiatric institute, a pivotal agency in introducing the drug-rock-sex counterculture to the USA. The author, Lt Col. Robert Hicks, is an intelligence community professional in the field of post-traumatic shock. The Tavistock Institute, pioneer in this field, viewed public shocks such as the Vietnam War and the 1960s' multiple assassinations, as the opportunity to radically alter the philosophy of the American population." because I can't agree that the beatniks, the underground movement (jimi Hendrix, Frank Zappa, etc), the bebop culture was a psy-op fuit of these govt real satanists.
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by AlQanat on 08.03.2005 [13:18 ]
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...the underground movement (jimi Hendrix, Frank Zappa, The Weatherman, Jefferson Airplane etc), the bebop culture were psy-op's fruits of these govt real satanists.
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by AlQanat on 08.03.2005 [13:30 ]
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by eureka on 08.03.2005 [14:37 ]
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For there shall arise false christs and false prophets and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that , if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Matt 24, 24.
The fact that african americans have been targetted is no surprise either. In my country which is 90% black, the Church of Latter Day Saints have been targetting us also. It seems to be a global campaign to brainwash the masses.
Funny thing about this Mormon religion is that there was a time where blacks were not welcomed; all of a sudden now they are welcoming us with open arms; I smell a dead rat here.
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by Draco_Annie on 08.03.2005 [16:47 ]
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Those who can't distinguish between truth and lies, between light and dark only deserve to be manipulated, used and disposed of.
Of course this way of life appeals to their base insctincts and by degrading themselves thus, they lose all kind of self-esteem. Consequently, they can become slaves for their masters to abuse.
What a bunch of sickos.
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 08.03.2005 [18:20 ]
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by eidenk on 08.03.2005 [22:10 ]
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I find Shiaism is equally frightening with its pyramidal structure, the expected blind obedience to its leaders rulings, the strong martyrdom component there is in it and the trend towards the establishment of theocratic regimes as well as its mass manifestations that are no different for the outsider I am than a football stadium, a Nuremberg, Pyongyang or Bush rally. I find that what is at work within Islam is the same than the one that is at work in the US with Bush, Robertson and Graham. Indeed it seems it could be the same god we are dealing with on both sides.
I think I understand that much of the discord revolves on who was and on the sacrificial altar, Isaac or Ismael and according to the interpretation of that event, which seed will ultimately rule the world as god promises dominion to Abraham's seed if he is able to sacrifice his son on the altar. Muslim claim that Abraham's seed is Ismael (he had with his egyptian maid for the reason of his wife Sarah's sterility). Isaac is the miraculous son of god and Sarah. Which of the boys was on the altar is not clearly established. Insane story that shapes our future today.
@Al-Quanat : I think there was the embryo of a genuine positive spiritual revolution in the West whose essence has been expressed for example by some talented artists such as Hendrix. As you probably know, all this has been highjacked by the CIA who spread millions of doses of LSD on world campuses probably on the recommendation and directives of Anglo-saxon establishment operations such as the Tavistock or Esalen institutes. Charles Manson seems to have been programmed at Esalen.
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by wings on 08.03.2005 [23:48 ]
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Iranian-shi’ite: “US propaganda claims that the Taliban wanted to conquer and convert the world;”
I can’t remember learning that the Taliban ever wanted to conquer and convert the world, but what I was given to know later is that the Taliban kept the drug lords in Afghanistan under control until Bush was elected. Without the Taliban, it seems there was no more control. American soldiers could buy anything off the streets, and did/still do. Why buy American Steroids for $60 a pop when you can get them in Afghanistan for $4. Who controls the drug flow now? No one.
As far as the “dominionists” ... they are all those who oppose freedom of spirit. They seduce the spirit with promises of God that cannot be made by man. Mankind has become enslaved by trickery. NO MAN, OF ANY COUNTRY, CAN SPEAK FOR GOD. God will speak for himself when the time comes.
I find any and all organized religions frightening. It only brings to mind the famous Jethro Tull,” ... and in the beginning, Man created God.”
@Al-Quanat: Because of the injustice's created in Vietnam, some of the Veterans of that war chose to reject Uncle Sam. Many of them disappeared either to Canada or Alaska, hiding from society, mostly ashamed of their knowledge of deeds and their own involvement of the horrible atrocities done during that era.
Those deep feelings of injustice, for those who did not want to be a part of US decisions in war, were a direct result of much of the music that evolved.
The Spirit of the West was not built by the American government nor the immigrants that filled it's borders. The Indian holocaust happened long before the Jewish holocaust, and that is still the only "spirit" of the land. That is the true and only spirit of America. Understanding the land will always be the way of the peacemakers. The people in America have no understanding of the living land, therefore disrespect has/will create a wasteland.
There have been so many holocausts in this world, how could any of us make a decision on whose holocaust was the worst?
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by wings on 09.03.2005 [00:00 ]
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and the tons of artifacts (living proof) are ignored as myths, that is the reason insanity shaped the future of our world.
There were "Gods" talking with each other in the very first book of the bible, Genisis 1:26, and the fact that people from other planets actually lived and used this planet was all documented in stone. Much of it in the Museum in Baghdad. And these "gods" did create man in their image, and called that race of man, The Adama (hence, the name Adam as the first man). Believe what you wish about God, but no man can concieve of God, therefore God is merely a word. Even the "Gods" of the bible were afraid of the Creator of all Things.
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 09.03.2005 [00:27 ]
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"I find Shiaism is equally frightening"
Shiaism is not trying to conquer the world. Every war we've fought since the 1979 revolution has been defensive. I think that there is a huge difference between US Dominionist attempt at global domination and Shi'ite attempt to control our own homelands.
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 09.03.2005 [00:29 ]
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"I can?t remember learning that the Taliban ever wanted to conquer and convert the world"
Exactly, because they weren't trying to conquer the world, so you could not have learned something untrue. However, some of the pro-Zionists who used to post on this site used to make that claim, so apparently that is something on the minds of Usans and therefore something that the US government must be spouting since the Zionist trolls seem to carry the official party line of the Neoconservatives.
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 09.03.2005 [00:37 ]
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Do not associate Islam with the likes of Pat Robertson and his ilk.
Muslim violence in the world today is our attempt to break the chains imposed upon us by the likes of Pat Robertson and the Bush's. Muslim violence is a response to the imperialist wars that have been shoved down our throats.
To liken Islam to Pat Robertson or Graham is an egregious comparison. The two are on opposite sides of the pole. Take for instance the Iraqi resistance. Who invaded who? You had the Graham pseudo-Christians attacking the Muslims. They started the war. Take the example of Hizbollah. Who invaded who? The Israelis and the US invaded Lebanon. Take the case of Palestine. Who invaded who? Millions of Europeans flooded into Palestine and stole the land and violently drove Palestinians out into the desert.
The likes of Pat Robertson have been oppressing us for quite some time. We're only fighting in response. Indeed, the vehemence you see among many Muslims is a result of the severe oppression that the West has meted out against us.
I would ask you to reconsider your perception of likening the two. It does feel inulting to be compared to Pat Robertson or Bush when you know that it was they who started the fight out of their insane fanaticism and now try to paint you with the color of their own evil.
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 09.03.2005 [00:45 ]
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Sorry. post 18:29 was to Wings, not to Eidenk.
When you say Jethro Tull, are you referring to the character in the Charles Dickens novel "David Copperfield?" I remember no such quote. I find it astounding that Dickens would ever have written such a thing; though he did once call for the extermination of the oriental race.
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 09.03.2005 [00:51 ]
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Never mind, I know what you're talking about now.
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by wings on 09.03.2005 [01:47 ]
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I knew who the post was for, and we are on the same page. I would be proud to call you brother, for I believe we are all related. Yes, it was the musical group, Jethro Tull, I was relating to.
Thank you for your contributions to this site. I find them friendly and healing. That's what our world needs now to survive (if it is to survive). I feel there is so much pain everywhere, it is far too late and impossible to change directions of the planet. I could be wrong. Then maybe too, the universe is unfolding as it should. Who am I to say.
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 09.03.2005 [01:58 ]
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I am unworthy to be called your brother, but if you grant me that then it will be from your noble kindness, not from my deserving it. Salute.
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by wings on 09.03.2005 [02:47 ]
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And from my heart I say those words.
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by eidenk on 09.03.2005 [03:16 ]
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What I am saying is that the root of Islam and the root of Judeo-Christianity is the same. It is the same story interpreted differently. But what remains in it is the offering by God of world dominion on his behalf for the seed of Abraham no matter whether it is Isaac or Ismael who is considered to be this seed. And that's what Islam claims to be, and particularly Shia Islam, the seed of Ismael who has been promised dominion over planet Earth. In this context all I have been saying remains for me even if I have to agree with your explanations that Judeo-Christanity is the current culprit for what goes wrong with the Christians acting as proxies for the seed of Isaac.
You cannot deny that this dominion story is at the core of the Muslim faith or I am getting something wrong and you'll point it out to me.
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by hayate on 09.03.2005 [03:29 ]
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Missionary work is a big deal with mormons. Ollie north and richard secord were helping them get their missions growing in Central and South American countries, when they were not exporting terrorism and importing drugs, that is. Utah, the capital of mormonism (re: moron-ism), was the state that voted the most for bushit.
The mormon is on the make and it aint pretty....
This 'article' is...well, to put it politely, is neo-nazi wank material.
"akin to the New Age pornographic training that shaped the lesbian and Wiccan upsurges of the 1960s"
Watch out, dem pagenz an lesbos will git ya, boy.
Falls off chair....laughing.
As for "promise keepers", never heard of them. No doubt they are just another whacko cult that judeo-christian freakshow called ameroisraelia produces by the containershipload. About the only thing left that they do domestically produce outside of hamburgers and terrorism.
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by hayate on 09.03.2005 [03:32 ]
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see eye to eye.
Gee, golly, gosh, who would have known. Amazing how these americans always come together.
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 09.03.2005 [03:51 ]
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"What I am saying is that the root of Islam and the root of Judeo-Christianity is the same."
That is absolutely true. Not only do they have the same roots, but the Quran even says that they have the same roots.
"But what remains in it is the offering by God of world dominion on his behalf for the seed of Abraham no matter whether it is Isaac or Ismael who is considered to be this seed."
Very interesting. I know that in Genesis God offers the Middle East to one of Abraham's sons and offers the other son's descendants to be as numerous as the stars in the sky; but this news is new to me.
Where in the Quran and Bible may we see this offering? I remember reading about a covenant between Abraham and God about circumcision; but I can't remember anything about offering world dominion. Please refresh my memory. You may very well be right. I'll keep an open mind to this.
"You cannot deny that this dominion story is at the core of the Muslim faith or I am getting something wrong and you'll point it out to me."
I'm trying to think of the closest thing in Islam that would match your words . . .
There is a hadith that states that before the day of judgement every house will have a Muslim in it, meaning simply that the Muslim population will be dispersed throughout the world - which is already true.
There is no forced conversion in Islam because the Quran states, "There is no compulsion in religion."
I can't think of anything in either the Bible or the Quran which states that God offered world domination to Abraham. I can think of nothing in Hadith or in the Talmud that would state that.
The only place I can think of that states explicitly something about world domination is in the paper by the Project for a New American Century that calls for extending American power globally.
Perhaps if you could provide another source then we could discuss it and see what meanings it may hold.
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 09.03.2005 [03:54 ]
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I meant to say, "I can't think of anything in either the Bible or the Quran which states that God offered world domination to Abraham or his seed. Neither can I think of anything in Hadith or in the Talmud that would state that."
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 09.03.2005 [04:01 ]
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Did you know that Dickens once called for the extermination of the oriental race? Some Muslims had murdered some British in India and Dickens wrote to a friend that he would have the extermination of the oriental race.
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by wings on 09.03.2005 [07:23 ]
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I did see in your post that you said Dicken's once called for the extermination of the oriental race. By that, what race did he consider to be oriental? Muslims are not oriental.
Loving to read, and being spiritually inclined, I've tended to be drawn to certain books at the right time in my life. Early on I learned, "when a pupil is ready to learn, a teacher will appear." The quote is not mine of course, but I've used it enough times for some credit.
Hayate: Are you ridiculing a mere meeting of minds? It happens a lot with truth seekers. What is your problem? I am American, but I have not tried to hide the fact. Does it matter? Now that we're on the subject of countries, where do you hail from?
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by eidenk on 09.03.2005 [14:39 ]
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I am in fact less interested by the stories themselves than their possible interpretation by fanatics.
What I am still sure about is that God asks for the sacrifice of a human children as a test.
Genesis 22 extracts (English Standard Version) :
{After these things God tested Abraham and said to him, "Abraham!" And he said, "Here am I." He said, "Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you.
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And the angel of the LORD called to Abraham a second time from heaven and said, "By myself I have sworn, declares the LORD, because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, I will surely bless you, and I will surely multiply your offspring as the stars of heaven and as the sand that is on the seashore. And your offspring shall possess the gate of his enemies, and in your offspring shall all the nations of the earth be blessed, because you have obeyed my voice."}
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 09.03.2005 [15:33 ]
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One of the things I love about that story in the book of Genesis is that it says, "your only son," even though a few chapters prior it discusses Abraham having another son. Genesis 22 says, "your only son," even though Abraham already had two sons at this point in the story! LOL. That's funny.
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 09.03.2005 [15:46 ]
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"By that, what race did he consider to be oriental?"
During the Victorian era in England, the study of Orientalism inculuded the study of the lands between Turkey to the far East. (It still does in some places like Princeton university.) Occidentals (Westerners) have tended to paint the world with wide brushes. They don't, for instance, commonly distinguish between various African cultures and nations. The Occidentals brushed the whole land with the label, "the dark continent." Dickens was referring to everyone from Turkey to Japan. I think his sentiment reflects a deep rooted mentallity in the Occident that we saw with the Usan massacre of native American Indians, with the bombing of Hiroshima even though the Japanese were trying to surrender, with the European conquest of Palestine, and now with the million Iraqi children that died under U.S. sanctions during the 1990's. I think that the Dominionists, which the promise keepers are a branch of, carry that attitude of imperial superiority and have revived it, which benefits the goals of the Neoconservatives which we see in their literature such as that published by the PNAC.
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by wings on 09.03.2005 [19:47 ]
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the picture. It is hard to live with so much negative ambition in this country. I realize now, it is an old and deep rooted plan for global control. I don't believe it will ever work. As you have probably gathered by my postings, my heart is/always has been, Native American Indian. There are more and more like me waking up. We've been asleep since the Sand Creek massacre's, but Leonard Peltcher, who is still in prison from the incident at Wounded Knee a few years back, has not stopped making a loud noise in this world. As Robbie Robertson sings, "we won't go quietly." And neither will the Natives of the middle east. My heart soars like and eagle to know we are getting closer to the real truths of mankinds purpose. It may not be what we wanted to know, but it will be what we need to know.
To eidenk: I know you posed your questions to Iranian'Shi'ite, and I'm sure he will satisfy you, but I would also like to add a few comments to your idea of bible truths. The bible is full of good stories. Some of them rearranged to fill the need of the crusade in America. The bible has been rewritten and retranslated so many times, it was worth the wait for someone to go back in history to find the collection of books that make up the bible, especially the King James Version, and that someone was a little old Hebrew Linguist named Zecharia Sitchin. Zecharia is 83-845 years old now (I think, maybe older), and the fact that he spent most of his life on this research means more to me, than nearly any intelligent author out there, that spends his time just to make money. Sitchin's work is very important,especially since it has to do with the proof of roots of all mankind. I'm sure it would open many locked religious closets in your mind if you would take the time to read, THE TWELFTH PLANET, which is the first book in THE EARTH CHRONICLES series that Mr. Sitchin has compiled. GENESIS REVISITED, also by Sitchin, is not of the series, but it is also valuable in learning our true rendering of history before the so-called men of the cloth got hold of the truth to rule the masses.
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