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More than 40 held in Turkey coup plot: Erdogan
By: Agencies on: 22.02.2010 [15:43 ] (1518 reads)
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Former military chiefs held in Turkey plot probe
More than 40 held in Turkey coup plot: Erdogan
Sowing instability
Detained officers included former Air Force and Navy chiefs
ISTANBUL (Agencies)
Turkish police arrested on Monday more than 40 people, including former Air Force and Navy chiefs and other senior officers, over an alleged plot to topple the Islamist-rooted government, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said.
"This morning our security forces began a detention process," he told a news conference during an official visit to Spain.
"As of now, more than 40 people have been detained."
The swoop, one of the largest in European Union candidate Turkey against the secularist armed forces, further raised tensions between the ruling AK Party and the military, which has been implicated in several alleged plots in the past year.
Former Air Force Commander Ibrahim Firtina, former Naval Commander Ozden Ornek and ex-Deputy Chief of the General Staff General Ergin Saygun, were among those held, broadcasters said.
Current armed forces chief General Ilker Basbug delayed a trip to Egypt as a result, broadcaster CNN Turk reported. In total seven serving officers and seven retired officers were detained.
Interior Minister Besir Atalay, accompanying Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan on an official visit to Spain, said he was being kept informed of developments, state-run Anatolian news agency reported.
NTV said the suspects held in Ankara were being flown to Istanbul for questioning over the "Sledgehammer" plot after police raids in the cities of Istanbul, Ankara and Izmir.
Neither police nor the military had any immediate comment.
Financial markets showed little reaction to the detentions, but Wolfango Piccoli from the Eurasia political risk consultancy said they looked set to trigger another escalation in the tense relations between the military and the AK Party.
"The government is now embroiled in an open and bitter power-struggle with the judiciary and the military, raising the risk of a head-on confrontation that would badly damage political stability," Piccoli said.
Such detentions would have been unthinkable in the past for the military, which has ousted four governments in the last 50 years. However, its powers have waned in recent years due to democratic reforms aimed at securing EU membership.
Other senior military officers have been indicted on charges of planning a separate plot to overthrow the AK Party, which has its roots in political Islam.
Sowing instability
According to previous media reports on the Sledgehammer plan, denied by the military, the army had plotted to provoke Greek fighter jets into shooting down a Turkish military jet.
Turkey and neighboring Greece have longstanding territorial disputes and came close to war in 1996 over an islet in the Aegean, though relations have improved in the last decade.
The alleged plot also involved planting bombs in mosques and museums in Istanbul to stir chaos. Last month Taraf newspaper said it had obtained 5,000 pages of documents and tapes on the plan which was aimed at justifying an army takeover in 2003.
The military has said documents quoted by the paper were part of a military training seminar but were never meant to be carried out and were not part of a conspiracy.
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2010/02/22/101141.html
by cosmo on 22.02.2010 [17:08 ]
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away under the banar of leamlist and whatever, its time for Erdogan to settle the account with them once and for for all.
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by bernie22 on 22.02.2010 [17:45 ]
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Makes one wonder when Obama is going
to have a purge of the USA military?????
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 22.02.2010 [18:17 ]
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Good for you Turkish police.
Arrest the hell out of them.
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by Deathtodubya on 22.02.2010 [21:01 ]
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a democratically elected government when it refuses to tow the Zionazi line. good that yet again it was foiled and hopefully Turkey will be even more opposed to Israhell and the US and more friendly with Russia.
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by DarkStar on 22.02.2010 [21:57 ]
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A controversial order of Israeli-made Heron unmanned aerial vehicles passed critical performance tests in Israel and will soon be delivered, Turkey's top procurement official says.
"Six of the aircraft have successfully passed the tests inspected by a delegation of Turkish officials," Murad Bayar, head of the government's defense procurement agency, the Under Secretariat for Defense Industries was quoted telling local media. "We are expecting their deliveries in the weeks ahead. And this closes the deal from our point of view."
Similar performance tests will take place in the next few months for the remaining four UAVs included in the program.
h ttp://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Israeli_drones_bound_for_Turkey_999.html
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by gmmonko on 22.02.2010 [22:37 ]
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...America's/Israel's dirty fingers.
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by bernie22 on 22.02.2010 [23:55 ]
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Many years ago I was in Izmir Turkey and for
what reason I don't know their was to be a public
hanging. I had never seen a public hanging, and
decided to watch, well to my surprise the victim had
the noose around his neck and the end of the rope was
thrown over a convenient lamp post, pulled until the victim
was standing on his toes, a pathway was cleared for about 30
feet and a very burly Turk began running and tackled the victim
breaking his neck after a few tackles??????
I wonder if this practice is still being done????
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by svoboda on 23.02.2010 [01:31 ]
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Such public displays as you said you saw are not a part of Turkish society. I was in Izmir for a short time not too long ago and never saw any abuse by police or anyone else.
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by dit on 23.02.2010 [01:32 ]
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Turkey is free and the zionists can't stand it.
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by bernie22 on 23.02.2010 [03:00 ]
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Svoboda, it happened in Izmir September 1962....
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by Syrian on 23.02.2010 [05:57 ]
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Some of us weren't even alive in September 1962, so yeah, times DID change.
Anyway:
"The military has said documents quoted by the paper were part of a military training seminar but were never meant to be carried out and were not part of a conspiracy."
I'm afraid plausible deniability won't work this time, zionists!
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by DarkStar on 23.02.2010 [08:00 ]
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about the purchase of Israeli drones by Turkey that is currently being finalized????
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by djandjolik on 23.02.2010 [08:36 ]
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foreign agent traitors.
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by Lima-P on 23.02.2010 [09:25 ]
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your post was read and many thanks for it. The thing is, in modern- day warfare, one buys from the enemy, picks up his skills, improves on them and manufactures one's own. Apparently nothing can be deduced about your ultimate loyalties from such commercial dealings. Seen in this light, one cannot withdraw trust from Erdogan or the new, resilient Turkey which fears neither man nor beast.
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by ILYANA_ROZUMOVA on 23.02.2010 [13:55 ]
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This coup happened after Turkey cooled of their relationship with Israel. (They even made some movies about "inconvinient truth" ?)
@ Lima-P: Thank you dear.
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by Deathtodubya on 23.02.2010 [14:19 ]
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The Zionazi makes good UAV's so Turkey bought some, just like Russia. They are hardly a major weapon system and good just for recon against a basically unarmed foe. Like Lima P said, you can also study them and get ideas for making your own. Besides, much of the equipment onboard those UAV's is from other nations.
Greece and Cyprus and Turkey have recently bought Russian military equipment too. This didn't make the USA howl with criticism that they are going to form a new Warsaw Pact.
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by DarkStar on 23.02.2010 [14:31 ]
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One should be enough for reverse engineering purposes, no?
Why giving all that money to the Israeli military industry???
Perhaps the people who have been arrested are actually opposing those deals with Israel??? What about that???
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by Lima-P on 23.02.2010 [15:03 ]
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DarkStar. But if you just buy one, don't you make the other side suspicious? They'll refuse the sale. I tend to think like the majority here that this is more a coup against the zios than for them. Besides, it is vital we beat them. We don't, we're toast. Therefore, we have to trust Russia, we have to trust Turkey or Iran. We have to believe China is on our side and not against us. Don't you see? Otherwise, we all get so demoralised, we give up the fight. And then they really have won.
Hello Ilyana. Whatever you say, always makes sense. I'm glad you haven't left us to our own devices, abandoned us in short.
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by DarkStar on 23.02.2010 [15:53 ]
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I am not trusting Turkey, Russia or China. I am thinking they all are ziopuppets to the same extent the West is but if you need to believe in China in order not to get demoralized and give up the fight, then believe, what else can I say...
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by Deathtodubya on 23.02.2010 [16:12 ]
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Fact is all these major nations are rules by a particular narrow group that looks after it's own interests first, then the nations and finally the worlds(if they even look that far). Only someone like Chavez carries the flame for the rest of us and even he is just one man, and capable of following bad advice or failing.
The only thing we can hope for with Russia and China for example is that their self interest coincides more with the interests of the oppressed people's of the world than it does with the Zionazis and that they'll stifle and help to defeat the Zionazis in such a way that weakens them also so they cannot replace the vacuum left by fallen western imperialists with their own brand of oppression.
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by Lima-P on 23.02.2010 [16:30 ]
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@DarkStar, @Deathtodubya
You're right both of you to call me naive and to make fun of me, albeit gently. So by trust I don't mean the way you might the person closest to you. But if we have everyone on the same side sort of, West, Russia and China - who remains to fight them? I know Afghanistan is doing its bit grandly. But still. We need a bit more than that to defeat the Zios. If these Zios have no opponents whatsoever, they win by default, if nothing else.
I believe Russia and China are too often threatened by the Zios not to side with the rest of the Freeworld in the final struggle. But whatever, do either of you see any victory in the offing for the oppressed peoples of the world or eternal defeat?
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by Deathtodubya on 23.02.2010 [20:39 ]
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as inevitable. The capitalist/imperialist project has never been sustainable in the long run. It's like that snake that eats it's own tail. The bankrupt ideology that the west stands on is based on exploitation of weaker people in order to prop up the lifestyle of a few. The problem is that it's very nature promotes excess and a dissatisfaction with anything that isn't 'new' or 'better'.
The very consumerism that capitalism thrives on demands more and more, and its getting to a point where the cost of extracting these resources and of keeping the workers down and slaving for a pittance cannot be pushed lower. In the last few decades even in the west the living standards of the workers who for a while were pampered(in comparison to how they used to be treated from 1800-1940) have fallen as the rulers try to squeeze every penny from even the people that are meant to be consumers.
In the past they would put the burden on the poor of other nations as they were afraid of revolutions at home, but now even that's not enough for them and so they are predestined to make real enemies of their own people who had until now taken advantage of third word oppression in order to have a comfortable life. This comfort and obsession with the 'work ethic' has also made the west into a sterile and aging population, where ever increasing taxes are needed to maintain the rulers hold.
Russia and China at the moment don't really want to change this model. They want to replace the US and the West with themselves. The problem for them is that this model is finished, and just like Gorbachev's attempt to get a new life for the Soviet version of 'communism' failed, so will the attempt by Russia and China.
So to answer your question, well it's the rulers of the west with their insatiable hunger and desperation to keep themselves in power that will ultimately be their own executioners, overextending themselves and desperate to hold onto all their pieces without realising that the value of them is far less than the cost of holding onto them. This is how the Roman Empire crumbled, from within, where the cost of keeping the empire and it's standards of living became higher than the income from exploiting the empires resources.
It's also those Afghans, Iraqis, Venezuelans, Sudanese, Yemenis, Somalians etc. that fight against the western empires and their lackeys that really help accelerate the process of western financial collapse. The funny thing is that don't even need to kill many American/NATO scum. They are destroying the empire by financially draining it through occupation, weapons shipments, bombardments, embargoes etc.
Finally it is countries like Russia and China that steal away markets and resources from the west in order to fund their own rise that again help to accelerate the western demise. The west is then forced to pay ever more for resources or has to fund ever more wars and coups to try and maintain hegemony over the world and it's not working very often these days. Furthermore, this extra paying then results in higher costs for the plebs in the west, thus further alienating them from their masters.
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by DarkStar on 24.02.2010 [00:40 ]
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I am thinking it is awareness, which I am thinking we and others are helping raising, which generates resistance everywhere at all levels and which will eventually bring zionism to total defeat despite its tremendous financial power.
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by DarkStar on 24.02.2010 [00:43 ]
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To me Turkey's internals are very opaque and perhaps as a neighbour of that country you've got some insight I do not have...
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by Lima-P on 24.02.2010 [08:11 ]
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for answering my question with such clarity. You have indeed thought things through and the final results can be advantageously added to any existing world view. In the final analysis, however, I'd say our aims are identical and our views converge our divergences being more a matter of detail than of substance. And while waiting for Syrian to give us his dynamic views, three cheers for the oppressed, victory round the corner. LOL, friends, LOL!
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by adrian on 24.02.2010 [13:07 ]
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Good comments. US is drowning in its own debts.
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by adrian on 24.02.2010 [13:37 ]
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I have no doubts this coup will have been organized and funded by Mossad and the CIA. Turkey has slipped away from NATO control, and this cannot be tolerated!
But the Zionazi plans are fatally flawed. The Islamists will not sit back and wait to be inprisoned, tortured, and killed. They would fight, and with the support of the people! The result would be a more extreme Islamist state!
This poor planning demonstrates either desparation or incompetance by the Zionazi - or both!
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by Deathtodubya on 24.02.2010 [16:20 ]
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Cheers mate. There are many ways to revolution, I mentioned but one, others have more insight from other angles, and they are all valid. You need to BELIEVE but also need to look with a critical eye on even those that you back to be the world's saviours to make sure they don't become just a new bunch of oppressors like the Bolsheviks did for example. They professed to be infallible and their version of revolution perfect, and it ended up like it did, corrupting its ideals and ironically helping capitalism to thrive as capitalists would point to the Soviets and scare people into thinking that all revolutions against capitalism would be 'evil'.
@ adrian
thanks. There could indeed be a civil war, as like you said, the Islamist party has broad massive support and is not at all like the cowardly self serving secularist parties that were overthrown in coups in the past. Those parties had no real passionate support and so coups went by without problems. Now we have in Turkey not just political islam, but also in the military there is an ever growing awakening of a Islamic brotherhood idea where the Turks again are seeing themselves as belonging to a large international Islamic whole and not just citizens of some artificial Ataturk entity. If push comes to shove there could be not just citizen agains army clashes, but also army v army.
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by Lima-P on 24.02.2010 [17:36 ]
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self-interest, there is power corrupts, there's the Zio people, Nazis or Fascists or Jews, or whoever, the perpetual war people, with their population culling daydreams and their incredible brutality. Well, whatever.
Syrian in his own carefree way pointed out above somewhere that a generation gap existed among some of the bloggers. I belong to that section of the population which grew up in that time of peace between WWII and now, relative, uneasy peace, OK. But the illusion was there if nothing else. And now it's part of our daily jargon. Attack this one, attack that one. I'm glad capitalism is on its last legs. The terminal prolapse of west, to quote.
And very dangerous times ahead. Where one needs allies if one is to bring this period to a close without colossal bloodshed. Hence my interest in Russia and China. BTW, the two articles on the Winter and Spring of discontent were meant specially for you. If the European worker, for whatever selfish reasons, can suddenly awake and take on his or her leaders, we take a giant step forward. Hop Greece. May you show all the others the way.
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by Iron_Clay on 24.02.2010 [20:50 ]
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It could not happen in America.
It takes men with balls to attempt a overthrow and there aren't any men with balls in America.
Only blouse wearing little girls, and eunuch's.
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by Syrian on 25.02.2010 [12:27 ]
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Sorry about the delay, I've been in the air for a while and my tunnel wasn't working.
Right now in Turkey, things have changed a lot. The common wisdom was that the military was in control and it was true all the way up to 1997 when the military pressured the prime minister to resign. Since the election of Erdogan, there have been many failed coup attempts, most recent in memory being this one:
ht tp://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=77062§ionid=351020204
The coups are failing due to the skilful diplomacy skills of Erdogan, he kept the military happy through invasions of Turd-controlled territory in Iraq and good relations with Iran. Controlling both these borders helps a lot along with warming relations with all neighbouring countries and Russia. Even Armenia!!! For a coup to succeed there must be a weakened government or a military which wields too much power. As you can see in the article, "reforms" are being linked to the weakened power of the military but this isn't entirely the reason behind it. There have been many routs of the military crypto-zionist and this has weakened them to the point where the AK (Erdogan party) has planted many watchers. Another zionist coup will not succeed.
The current president of Turkey Abdullah Gül is also a very good friend of Erdogan, this gives them control of legislative, parliment and executive power... there is no treachery possible here.
The zionists' loss of control over Turkey is going to hurt them massively in the long term and you can bet they won't stop trying to get it back in control. Once Abdullah Gül's term runs out in 2012, they will try one of their colour revolutions — if they're still around haha.
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by Syrian on 25.02.2010 [12:33 ]
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You gotta know, the contract was penned a while ago and it was all done by the Turkish ministry of defense, stilll under zionist influence.
I should also add that, the current government Turkey will follow its economic interests not idealogical or religious aspirations. Such crap is a thing of the past, though thankfully nationalism is still alive and well. Turkey is an industrial power house of Europe, however it needs to expand its market because it knows the power of Western Europe is waning. It has expanded trade with Syria, Iran and a little bit with the gulfies. When the gulfies complained that it trades more with Iran, it pointed out that all these trades represent less than 2% of its total annual turnover, much of which is with European countries. So in the short term, what happens in the middle east does not concern Turkey, in the long term though STABILITY is the most important thing!
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by Syrian on 25.02.2010 [12:35 ]
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ht tp://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-25/turkey-jails-more-officers-as-erdogan-prepares-for-army-meeting.html
Judicial control really helps in these situations! :) The military cannot do anything but destabilise turkey and it knows it.
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by Lima-P on 25.02.2010 [14:23 ]
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You've set my mind at rest over Turkey. Hope DarkStar feels the same. And while we still have your ear, what's this business about Clinton urging Syria to dump Iran? Substance or smoke?
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by Lima-P on 25.02.2010 [14:33 ]
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Read your HaHa comment elsewhere. That answers my question, I reckon.
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by DarkStar on 25.02.2010 [14:53 ]
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This obviously zionist paper I have just read seems to also indicate this attempted coup might well be true and the fact of the zionists.
h ttp://www.washingtoninstitute.org/templateC06.php?CID=1374
I know that the israeli drones stuff is running since a while and to tell you the truth I am still a bit suspicious of Erdogan, a little bit of paranoia certainly cannot hurt, my dear Lima-P ;)
Haaretz has been reporting about joint military exercises between Turkey, Jordan and Israel late last year in addition to the drone deals so I ain't sure it's all kosher on Erdogan's side to use their terminology...
h ttp://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1128503.html
I'll try to keep my eyes open until I can make a decisive opinion one way or another.
Cheers guys.
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by DarkStar on 25.02.2010 [15:20 ]
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"President Obama thanked Turkey for its efforts in Afghanistan, where it commands the NATO peacekeeping force in Kabul.
"I thanked Prime Minister Erdogan and the Turkish people for their outstanding contributions to stabilizing Afghanistan," said President Obama."
h ttp://www.turkishweekly.net/news/93582/obama-erdogan-discuss-afghanistan-iran.html"
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by DarkStar on 25.02.2010 [16:02 ]
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"Several high-ranking officers, including retired generals, are already being tried on accusations of belonging to a movement known as Ergenekon, which is said to have plotted a military coup by stoking civil unrest. Journalists, academics, lawyers and politicians are also accused of being part of Ergenekon, which the government has depicted as a cabal of secular elitists determined to maintain their privileges.
The arrests follow a row over the detention last week of the chief prosecutor of the north-eastern province of Erzincan, Ilhan Cilhaner, on charges of belonging to Ergenekon after he had ordered an investigation of an Islamist group."
h ttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/22/turkey-military-officers-arrested
Ergenekon is a secularist ultra-nationalist clandestine group whose existence is not proven and had been, according to wikipedia, blamed for the assassination in 2001 of Üzeyir Garih, a prominent jewish businessman and personal friend of Erdogan...
So it seems to me Erdogan is after nationalist antisemites of sorts in this affair...
And he gave some very bad advice some time ago IMO:
"Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has called on students in his country to learn from the Jews how to make money through scientific achievements and wise real estate investments.
In a speech delivered during a ceremony opening the new academic school year at the Yildiz Technical University, Erdogan spoke about his close friend, late Jewish businessman Üzeyir Garih, who was stabbed to death in 2001."
h ttp://www.eurojewcong.org/ejc/news.php?id_article=4533
I am thinking that perhaps Erdogan owe it's career and position to his late jewish businessman friend on the western model and that Ergenekon is a conspiracy that has been invented in order to get rid of secular nationalism in Turkey...
Call me paranoid...
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by Lima-P on 25.02.2010 [16:27 ]
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"paranoia" (I'd call it caution) cannot harm. And if you're suspicious of Erdogan, just take it one step at a time. For Turkey's Afghanistan mission, it is still a NATO member after all. It's job was to protect Kabul. As long as they were there, the Resistance left the capital strictly alone. As soon as the Turks left, wham!
More damning is what you quote him as saying in a speech to the students of Yildiz Tech Univ. You're sure he wasn't being tongue-in-cheek there simply? Anyway, bad advice, I quite agree.
On the other hand, I remember how Erdogan is one of the rare Muslim leaders to have stood up for the Palestinians in Gaza after that damnable Cast Lead thing. Full respect to him over that, respect which still lingers because he hasn't suddenly changed his tune on Gaza.
To sum up: easy enough to define our enemies. But how about coming to terms with our friends, for a change? They may let us down here or there. But without any friends and allies, victory will escape us for ever.
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by DarkStar on 25.02.2010 [17:06 ]
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as nothing more than a PR exercise to appease his public opinion in the vein of what we see those days with all those western politicians being "outraged" at the use of their passports in the Dubai murder.
So you are saying that the Turkish military was doing a good job in Afghanistan or am I mistaken????
Anyway to me the most suspicious now is this great friendship Erdogan enjoyed with the most prominent jewish businessman there was in Turkey.
Whether I take it all together or one at a time does not change what I see, you'll have to use some serious and thought about argumention to convince me Erdogan is not a politician of exactly the same vein as those we have in the west.
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by DarkStar on 25.02.2010 [17:19 ]
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The first state visit of a Turkish president to Iraq since 33 years took place recently.
They've been shunning Saddam Hussein for that long but fucking quick to recognize the US/UK installed puppet regime of Iraq, no?
Same goes for Iran on that one btw...
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by Lima-P on 25.02.2010 [17:40 ]
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you win. Serious thought is not really my thing. I leave that to others. Me, it's more like flashes of intuition than anything else. About Afghanistan, I've heard the Turks were well received by the people and they did not overstate their Kabul mandate. Erdogan spoke very well on a recent visit to Pakistan. Like a statesman should. But that too might count for nothing.
As for Saddam Hussein, they were all his enemies, all the Muslim countries which should have been his allies once the west turned against him and Iraq. But, no. They were all out for their pound of flesh. Except for King Hussein of Jordan and the Palestians. And you know how all that ended. So Turkey's visit now means nothing special.
But as I said, hate Erdogan, if you like. Be wary of Turkey and its latest politices of strategic depth. They are about the best (along with Iran and Lebanon), the Muslim world can offer presently.
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by Syrian on 25.02.2010 [19:05 ]
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Not Erdogan, not Gul, not Turkey.
Turkey is basically NATO and that is under control of the USA. There are 8 nuclear warheads from the USA stationed in Turkey, so you can guess who pulls the military strings. What is important is how it behaves locally.
Erdogan is very popular in Syria by the way, almost as popular as Nasrallah and Bashaar. Also you should know there are a lot of Turkish Jews who are not zionists. I know many of them, personally. This war is not Jews vs everyone else, but zionist vs everyone else, including jews. Zionists are the real jew's worst enemy and many jews are beginning to realise it.
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by Syrian on 25.02.2010 [19:14 ]
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Tuncay Güney : The Spy
Veli Küçük : The General
Osman Yıldırım : The Leak
The Three Templars:
Şener Eruygur
Hurşit Tolon
Fikri Karadağ
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