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RUSSIA... KICKS USA OUT.... From Its Traditional Arms Markets: WOW!!!
By: Bulov on: 17.05.2008 [01:20 ] (3798 reads)
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16.05.2008 Source: Pravda.Ru
http://english.pravda.ru/russia/economics/105239-1/
Russia forces the USA out from the traditional arms market. Russia has won a 4-billion-dollar contract with Saudi Arabia in a competition with the USA and France. This achievement of the Russian defense complex can be explained by both the high quality of the national military hardware defense equipment and the blunders of its Western competitors. However, Russia should not rest on its laurels: the current state of the nation’s defense industry is not good enough. It is not ruled out that the contract with Saudi Arabia may repeat the unfortunate fate of MiG supplies to Algeria.
Russia has entered the market area which has traditionally been under the USA’s control. In this case it goes about Saudi Arabia. Rumors of Russia’s intention to sign a multi-billion-dollar contract with the country appeared in November of 2007 when then-President Vladimir Putin met with the Saudi Crown Prince Sultan bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud. On the eve of the meeting Putin toured Arab states, and visited Arab capital Riyadh where none of Russian and Soviet leaders had been before.
The West considered it a newspaper hoax, because Saudi Arabia was totally dependant on arms supplies from the West – presumably from the USA. More importantly, the country has not voiced a desire to change the supplier. However, Russia and Saudi Arabia preferred not to reveal details of their talks on the contract, which continued for about six months.
Now it is known that the contract is evaluated at four billion dollars. The Saudi king got interested in the wide range of Russia’s defense equipment: from aircraft and armored vehicles and missile complexes. It became known that a half of the contract accounts for 100 Mil helicopters (mainly, Mi-17 and Mi-35). Half a billion dollars accounts for 150 T-90C tanks. The contract also includes 20 middle-haul air defense systems Buk-M2E and several hundreds of BMP-3 infantry combat vehicles.
Why did Riyadh prefer Russia to the USA in terms of the military hardware? Saudi Arabia has been under strong influence of the USA and the UK for decades. It was caused by the struggle between the USSR and the West for influence areas, including the Middle East. Saudi kings saw a threat to their power from the USSR that tried to develop socialist regimes in Arab states. The state of affairs is different now. The Soviet Union broke up, which gave Saudi Arabia an opportunity to negotiate and cooperate with Russia.
Speak the truth and shame the devil on Pravda.ru forum
It is worthy of note that Russian weapons have been attractive to foreign buyers from the point of view of price and quality combination. Russia used to make arms shipments to other Gulf States such as the United Arab Emirates and Kuwait before. Experts say that Russian military vehicles showed better technical qualities than their Western analogues, which made Saudi Arabia evince great interest in Russian products.
However, the better quality of Russia’s defense equipment in comparison with US analogues was demonstrated during the 1991 Operation Desert Storm. At that time most countries, including those possessing Soviet arms, joined the anti-Iraqi coalition. Syrian T-72 tanks successfully covered longer distances than USA Abrams tanks that broke down because of overheating and sand. That is only one of such episodes.
It is clear that such incidents did not make US arms more authoritative. In addition, last year the US Senate deprecated the deal with Saudi Arabia, according to which it was to obtain a set of high-precision bombs. The US administration believed that the bombs could fall into terrorists’ hands. Thus, Riyadh tried to find another supplier. They arranged the supply of helicopters and tanks with the French, but France demanded to extend the contract and to include Navy ships in it. However, Saudi Arabia did not like such impudence and apparently decided to punish France by signing a contract with Russia.
The contract evidences Russia’s success, but now the USA has nothing to worry about. Russia’s deal with Saudi Arabia is just a pinprick to them. For the time being, the Russian defense industry is a goose that lays golden eggs, but they are of poor quality. Russia should not forget that Saudi Arabia will not stand such treatment and in case of malfunction it will come back to the USA.
It is important for Russia at this juncture to save the reputation of a credible supplier. Urgent measures are necessary to improve the state of the Russian defense industry. In fact, it is the only branch of Russia’s industry that produces competitive goods on the world market. Young people do not want to engage in the defense industry because of low salaries.
Sergei Balmasov
Pravda.ru
Translated by Julia Bulygina
Pravda.ru
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by poiuytr on 17.05.2008 [06:01 ]
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The US last card they had has been decimated.
This has nothing to do with the weapon market. The trouble here is that the US has just made a threat on Saudis to ease off on the oil hikes which are shutting down the US like a clogged artery. The crux of the threat was the withholding of weapons to Saudis. Now, Bush is empty-handed, once again, when going personally beg the house of Saudi for oil price breaks. The last possible leverage has been so elegantly blown to bits.
How he's gonna argue this one then? Well, he can't anymore. Oil is going up for the west and fast. Pretty soon, EU will have to break from the gangrene US or contract the disease and fall too. OPEC's gonna either go euro, flushing the US into the bog overnight, or keep ratcheting the noose around the US to offset the dollar loss.
The last thing Saudis, as they have always, might have responded was the threat of the US pulling their military protection, defacto threatening the oil monarchy with allowing the long awaited uprising to reshuffle the powers along the Persian Gulf. But Russia has masterfully burnt Bush's last trump card.
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by Bulov on 17.05.2008 [10:05 ]
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you made very intelligent comment ,
thanks
:)
cheers
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by Legolas_Greenleaf on 17.05.2008 [11:32 ]
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As Gore Vidal put it Bush "doesn't know anything about anything. He's just blank." And that goes for the rest of the Whore House politburo apes and pigs. They are just stupid. Only reason the phony US ship of state has kept sailing is because it was so big after stealing Britain's and France's gold before, during, and after WWII and absconding with their empires. It's over now. It's a leaky canoe now with a toothpick for a paddle.
Of course Russian weapons are superior: they HAVE to be or else the US would have attacked by now.
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by paul pawlowski on 17.05.2008 [13:27 ]
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Russ competing with chin - who wins?
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 17.05.2008 [14:47 ]
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Experts say that Russian military vehicles showed better technical qualities than their Western analogues . . . .
Syrian T-72 tanks successfully covered longer distances than USA Abrams tanks that broke down because of overheating and sand.
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 17.05.2008 [14:50 ]
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"The crux of the threat was the withholding of weapons to Saudis."
I had forgotten that, but I remember that now.
The article makes more sense in light of that information.
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by Legolas_Greenleaf on 17.05.2008 [14:53 ]
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in any serious way. Obviously Russia could exterminate China in minutes if they encroached. It will be multi-polar world after the US is wiped out as a Talmudic entity.
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by bernie22 on 17.05.2008 [16:34 ]
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I beleive the AK-47 Kalashikov says it all about the
quality of Russian arms, still rated as one of the top
rifle ever produced in the world????????
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by Legolas_Greenleaf on 17.05.2008 [17:30 ]
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Every part interchangeable between two Ak's made 60 years apart. It's the fucking Hugo Chavez/Vlad Putin of weapons.
You can bury it, burn it, drown it, run it over with a tank, bash a Talmudz head in with it, and it just keeps on fuckin' ticking.
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by Throw_Off_The_Killer on 17.05.2008 [19:28 ]
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Very, very significant development here.
As far as any Russian-Chinese antagonism, I certainly don't see any potential conflict there. On the contrary, cooperation is in order.
The US ruling class is finding itself more and more isolated by the minute.
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by Throw_Off_The_Killer on 17.05.2008 [19:40 ]
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Good to see you back!
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by httpip1 on 17.05.2008 [22:03 ]
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Middle East Broadcasting Center...
http: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Broadcasting_Center
MBC2 and MBC4
http: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBC_4
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by httpip1 on 17.05.2008 [22:09 ]
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aljazeera english run by jews and
aljazeera arabic controlled by palestains (palestanian jews i might add)
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by Nopes on 17.05.2008 [22:41 ]
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Saudis are the most pathetic collaborators of the US regime and Israel. They work with Israel against Hezbollah. They work with US against Iran...
What changed?
Maybe Hezbollah success and the rise of Iran made them think again. US no longer has any prospects for the future in the region.
Or maybe they are afraid that those US weapons have bugs and they won't be useful against Israel. For instance those fighter planes they bought from US are not even piloted by their own people. They must use American or other Western pilots. I bet they would refuse to fly over Israel.
Saudis are the main bulwark of the dollar empire and they still let themselves to be forced to buy weapons with such conditions... Geez...
Saudi regime must consist of terrible fools.
Something is changing... but the fools are the same...
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by Nopes on 17.05.2008 [22:46 ]
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One more thing...
Russia sold them low-tech weapons. That's more of an economic development than military one.
Although after probable Saudi regime change this may be useful in conventional war with Israel.
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by shade on 18.05.2008 [01:50 ]
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Russia wont sell high tech weapons to someone who could give it to USA for reverse engineering...
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by gmmonko on 18.05.2008 [02:35 ]
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Give us more oil or we stop the supply of bullets. I still would doubt that this weapon sale is going to happen.
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by Nopes on 18.05.2008 [02:44 ]
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"Russia wont sell high tech weapons to someone who could give it to USA for reverse engineering..."
Like Iran?
Russia didn't even sell to Iran those SU-27 they wanted. They had to buy J-11 from China.
They didn't sell serious air defense like S-300 neither to Syria nor Iran.
If there is one in those countries it's operated by Russian crews.
No wonder Russia is losing strategically.
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by Syrian on 18.05.2008 [07:17 ]
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In the past, you could not fault the quality of Russian arms, but these days are highlighted by faulty MiGs to Algeria.
What use is a weapon if it is not reliable?
Nevertheless, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, we will never forget what you did for us, for a lot of us would be dead if it weren't for your SA-6 system in 1973.
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by Atheist on 18.05.2008 [07:30 ]
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There is nothing to cheer about. Elites care more about themselves than commoners. They are entitled to focus on their legally righteous destinies which don’t accord to the human nature and rights.
In the political terms, the commoners in any place can no longer poise themselves to be the sport fans cheering for U.S., Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Israel, Syria, or any other country.
The world is, by now, probably under the Globally Integrated Enterprise ( http: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globally_Integrated_Enterprise ), which may has a feudal system.
Pravda among AP, Fox News, CNN, BBC, MSNBC, Al Jazeera, and many other media outlets may serve as middlemen for the Globally Integrated Enterprise (GIE).
A Zionist is not really a Zionist. It may actually be known as a Globally Integrated Entrepriser (or Entrepreneur) instead. He may be someone who is involved in a different type of corporation.
The contract winners and losers don’t concern to any national society’s security and economy at all, but elites’ accounts themselves. Elites just profit through war launchings, negotiations, propaganda broadcasting, perception management, and weapon sales. They want the global public to think that some weapons and contracts are representative for a country separately. But, really, weapons are designed to generate money for a small number of global elites who know no boundary.
Union Banking Corporation is a good example. Why did George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush manage to become U.S. President, despite that their pastime relative, Prescott Bush, was doing business with Nazi? Union Banking Corporation, where Prescott Bush worked as vice president and director, was seized by the U.S. government during the World War II.
Commoners are just employed as the salaried laborers who are concretely involving in researching, developing, and manufacturing weapons, while other volunteered/conscripted commoners sacrifice needlessly by embedding themselves in the battles which must depend on the functionally technological weapons to energize economical motivation.
The central establishment of Globally Integrated Enterprise is potentially known as Bank for International Settlements (BIS) ( http: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_for_International_Settlements ). Its headquarters is in Basel, Switzerland. BIS provides banking services to the central banks around the world. It is described as “the central bank” for the central bankers.
Three people influenced on the founding of BIS:
(1) Charles G. Dawes, the U.S. Bureau of the Budget in 1921
(2) Owen D Young, American industrialist - founded RCA (Radio Corporation of America)
(3) Hjalmar Schacht, President of the Reichsbank (central bank of Germany from 1876 to 1945) under the Nazi regime between 1933 and 1939.
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by mocking_bird. on 18.05.2008 [09:37 ]
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Boot
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by Iranian-Shi'ite on 18.05.2008 [15:51 ]
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In my opinion, the Saudis are hedging their bets.
On one hand, they do help Israel and the USA against Iran.
On the other hand, they also help Iran. They invited Ahmadinijad to the pilgrimage, and they have made some finance and trade treaties with Iran.
It looks to me like they're playing on both sides to be in a beneficial position to matter who wins, and to gain what they can from each in the interim.
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by Throw_Off_The_Killer on 18.05.2008 [18:50 ]
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some rats up in here.
Trying to pollute
dilute
rend us into disrepute.
Methinks I smell some rats up in here.
Rats who talk a "no planes theory"
and a "direct energy weapons beam"
up in TruthLand.
Rats chewing the wires.
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by Throw_Off_The_Killer on 18.05.2008 [18:53 ]
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LMFAO.
The very Russians who have destroyed the greenback?
Locked up the billionare sell-outs?
With the bright future? Those Russians?
LMFAO.
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by Nopes on 18.05.2008 [20:16 ]
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If you think that Russia is not losing, you have to be in a state of denial.
NATO partitioned Serbia - Russia can do nothing about it. That's the litmus test.
At the moment even little Georgia with its CIA-trained president can threaten Russia with war. That's how pathetic this is...
"Russians who have destroyed the greenback?"
Yeah... Russia destroyed it... Not only dollar is not yet destroyed (it's simply badly weakened), Russia had very little to do with it. China and Russia have too much of dollar assets to risk destabilizing markets. They certainly weren't the driving force behind the fall of dollar.
That's simply the wind of change. All over the world people started thinking. Mahathir lobbied for a single Asian currency, Chavez and Iran started their own thing, Europeans got their euro, etc.. Reasons for that are much more complex.
Russia alone could do nothing and did not do too much.
Saudis on the other hand could do a lot but they don't.
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by Legolas_Greenleaf on 18.05.2008 [21:22 ]
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could the US/NATO/EU do a damn thing about it? No.
If Russia were to back Ossetia and Abkhazia in their unilateral declaration of independence, could the US do anything? No.
If Belarus decides to join the Russian Federation - many there DO - can US do anything? No.
If Iran allows Russia to build a Bondsteel-sized airbase and nuclear sub base on it's soil and coast can the US do anything? No.
So, obviously your "litmus test" is crap. If Serbia shared a border with Russia, there would be no fucking Kosovo. Period.
Some lines, for various reasons, practicality not the least of them, cannot be crossed, others lines obviously Can be crossed.
Russia is not going to get into a shooting war over Serbia...Georgia is another matter entirely. For now, it's better to build their economy and economic influence while the Americans bankrupt themselves in know-nothing lunatic adventures for Israel and delusions of global hegemony.
When push finally comes to shove, maybe 3-4 years, maybe 10-15 years, we'll see who's left standing. Hint: not the US.
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by Nopes on 18.05.2008 [21:33 ]
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Geez.. state of delusion is a pathetic one..
"If we did that, what would you do?" That's a threat of a pathetic drunk.
Russia doesn't do anything. So NATO doesn't have to respond. NATO is on the offensive.
NATO does a lot and Russia still can do nothing.
NATO planes even practice target shooting on Russian strategic bombers.
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by httpip1 on 18.05.2008 [21:58 ]
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what does anyone know about saudi society?...... i beleive with all due respect top down approach is not always the way to look at such issue of stategic alliance, coporation etc.. bottom up is the way things have been done in the middle east and elsewhere.... the fact is the house of saud as a representative of its suadi society is/has been organically tied with the us ..this atricle imho is marketing illusion/fantasy...
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by EUSSR2008 on 19.05.2008 [06:20 ]
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Nopes,
150 freedom loving nations that respect international law and the Helsinki Final Act are never going to legitimize the NATO Pact (Fourth Reich) land grab of Serbia's Kosovo & Metohija province. This is a huge diplomatic success for Russia given that the Washington lunatics promised Ban Ki Moon 100 "recognitions" within a week. There have only been around 40, just the USA and its NATO Pact regimes across Europe and several of these will withdraw recognition the first opportunity they get. Another calamity for US diplomacy.
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by ILYANA_ROZUMOVA on 19.05.2008 [13:27 ]
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Like httpip1. He is so polite. …. You’re esteemed yourself! …. And he is also right …no need to get nerves. Me myself, I do not see any harm in a “piggy bag ride”. My husband and I used to give “piggy bag” rides to our children all the time.
We need each other.
We can all enjoy the “White castle.”
…………It’s a beginning of a beautiful friendship.
And we can all sing together:
“You should remember this.
The kiss is still a kiss…”
All we need is little respect!
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by Legolas_Greenleaf on 19.05.2008 [14:05 ]
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NATO pussies can't muster enough consensus to takeover a shit-poor Afghan resistance. The French are one election away from pulling out (again). Germany cares more about selling shit to Russia and their investments there than they do about NATO - the population can't wait for US troops to get out. UK "co-monkeys" will likely go down with the US. Most of the newer members are irrlevent.
Kosovo, as EUSSR points out, is not a country and never will be. By my count 35 countries have officially "recognized" it, another 160 have not and never will. It's a shithole little Frankenstein trans-shipment point for the CIA's Afghan opium smuggling, and human smuggling by Israel, every clear thinking diplomat on earth knows that.
Kosovo is FAR from being a done deal.
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by Throw_Off_The_Killer on 19.05.2008 [19:15 ]
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is most certainly primary in killing the greenback. Absolutely it is.
NATO is on the offensive? LMFAO. Every action undertaken by the Western Lunatic Fringe is strictly compensatory and defensive.
Nopes is the same fool who degrades Webster Tarpley, unquestionably a most astute scholar of unsurpassed analysis, respective of the Western ruling class and their terrorism strategy. "HE'S A JEW!!" is the cry.
Carry on, Nopes.
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by Nopes on 19.05.2008 [22:18 ]
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1.It's not about who is going to win in the end. It's about the current situation.
NATO and US will lose in Iraq and Afghanistan because they face decentralized and committed resistance. There's no one to buy off.
2. If Webster Tarpley is "unquestionably a most astute scholar of unsurpassed analysis", no wonder there is a lot nonsense on the web coming from his followers.
3.Russia is led by people who can't be trusted. They don't do much because they don't want to.
It looks to me that people like gen. Baluyevsky could do something but Putin doesn't let them.
Serbia was betrayed by Russia. That's the bottom line.
It was easy to send some troops to Serbia and support Serbian takeover of Kosovo. It didn't have to be a shooting war on Russian side. Russia could stop NATO from intervening.
Anyway...if NATO is able to bully Russia with fear of engaging in a shooting war, it means that Russia is losing.
That's appeasement.
What's next? Iran?
Iran is surrounded like Poland in 1939. Fortunately Iran is in much better position - Russia won't join the invasion.
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by Sandy on 20.05.2008 [01:09 ]
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What is the big deal about Russia supllying low tech war tools to Saudi? most countries multi source especially at the low end. The oil pipelines that Putin negotiated is much more intersesting. Any idea as to exactly where they are planned? that might be a more poignant issue when one considers the geo political implications of such.
When Russia supplies nuclear ability to Saudis then it is real news.How it would effect the balance of power is another issue. All th emajor oil producers are now after nuclear "energy" adn no great outcry as compared to that against Iran. Many manufacturing and heavy industry multinationals are setting up near the supply of oil/gas such as a certain Aluminum in Oman. This is a industrial threat to the established producers.
Most warfare is conducted economically-see Zimbabwe. The use of nukes is usually held back against another nuke enabled nation. Strategic nuke use probably already happened in Nov 2001 but such are covered up of course and seem to have been a failure judgin by the report to the US office regarding such and need to change design of such in2002.
Thus we have the horrible situation where nukes are clearly needed by nations or their allies to defend against economic predators.
Or a defence system that shields from such .
Saudis are still defenceless from Israelis.This arms deal seems to have achieved little. Let us hope the Chechyans don't start using Russian weapons now.
Gerogia (consider the pipeline that the Afghanistan war has been over) is the port of this pipeline.McCAin and the EC and DIC has been prominent in the internal voting affairs and remember the missile that missed the US Congress delegation to Georgia only last year?
Georgia as a strategic important site should not be undersestimated.Nor the action that might be taken. Nor the false flag that may be used to justify it .How soon the lies of 911 and Iraq war WMD are allowed to be set to rest with no accoutnability.That is why all options are still so dangerously on the table.
I doubt the selling of low tech weapons to Saudi itself is significant, but what went on behind it probably is.
zap
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by EUSSR2008 on 20.05.2008 [06:11 ]
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Your language is quite perplexing. Serbia's Kosovo & Metohija province cannot be "taken over" by Serbs because it is already Serb. It can only be liberated.
As for your "shooting war", the NATO Pact stormtroopers could have tried a land invasion and everyone was expecting them to but they backed off at the last moment and signed an armistice with Serbia (UNSCR 1244) which specifically affirms Serbia's full sovereignity over her province.
To go back on something that they themselves signed is extremely damaging to the USA's already dented reputation. It demonstrates that they cannot be trusted and that they don't respect anything they sign. The USA has become an unreliable, unpredictable, unstable entity hence the worldwide solidarity in bringing them down. It's for the good of the planet.
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by poiuytr on 20.05.2008 [08:29 ]
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How does this happen?
Are you paid to spread your BS by some cretinous US web force outfit or you're really this fucking stupid yourself?
Nuking of the dollar 2 yrs ago is all that's needed to destroy the entire western beast for good. There's no need to shoot a single bullet or give the west child murdering scum any reason for WWIII assault. That's precisely what's happening. The US attack on Serbia is just like US attack on Russia through Georgia or Czech Rep are all intended to provoke a large non-US/Russia war.
No need for that. The dollar's dead. It's not "weakened" like you try to sell. It's dying and going to be extinct very quickly now. That's all the poison the west needs to prolapse on its own and disappear into a good decade of cesspit, during which all west assets, possibly with the exception of the west elite, which is no working overtime to consolidate it, will become foreign and the west, as you know it today, shall rather quickly cease to be.
On Iran, you're so off that there's no point debating anything with you.
Instead, let's talk you. Why do you even print you laughable crap here? Explain that! Are you insane, is it wishful thinking, or are you actually a paid little shill vermin? Which is it?
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by Throw_Off_The_Killer on 20.05.2008 [18:48 ]
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Very well done!
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by Throw_Off_The_Killer on 20.05.2008 [18:55 ]
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Funny, funny stuff.
Tarpley was commissioned by a member of the Italian parliament in 78 to investigate the kidnapping and killing of Aldo Moro. Tell us what Mr. Tarpley discovered, won't you?
Tarpley's "Synthetic Terror: Made in the USA" is far and away the best book on the subject. No other work even comes close.
LMFAO at your accusations of "nonsense coming from Tarpley's followers", when you yourself are posting such laughable tripe.
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by Throw_Off_The_Killer on 20.05.2008 [19:00 ]
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The significance lies in the potential of the Saudi monarchs to rapidly accelerate the downward dollar spiral.
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by Nopes on 20.05.2008 [19:40 ]
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@EUSSR2008
"Your language is quite perplexing. Serbia's Kosovo & Metohija province cannot be "taken over" by Serbs because it is already Serb."
Kosovo is not under Serb control anymore, so if Serbia wants to have it back it must be taken over.
You don't see reality.
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by Nopes on 20.05.2008 [19:51 ]
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Is there any reason to even read his gutter crap?
He usually talks about scrotums so he should find some gay Jewish website to have fun.
This guy mixes something he read with is own crap and the result is simply crap.
I said long time ago that I don't talk to this kind of weasels.
It's really funny that this kind of morons or shills (poiuytr is simply a Jewish fag moron) are able to accuse someone else of being paid. :)
They can't deal with reason, so they start throwing crap...
Like that Tarpley guy... He accuses Obama or Brzezinski of being some kind of masters of the universe or shills and at the same time he supports the genuinely CIA-backed Clintons.
That's how weasels thrive in this environment.
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by Throw_Off_The_Killer on 20.05.2008 [21:33 ]
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Tarpley only said Bill Clinton was a bit too independent for the Elites and was necessarily taken down in a coup attempt by the principals' committe. Another bogus claim.
I thought you said Tarpley was a Jewish disinformation specialist, cleverly disguised as a politcal philosopher. It's Tarpley's job to protect the Jews, right?
LMFAO.
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by Nopes on 20.05.2008 [22:28 ]
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You are simply a halfwit.
With guys like you I have to request a quote. Because either you lie or you are too stupid to understand what you read.
1. I said Tarpley is a sneaky Jew and I suspect him of being a DIA agent provocateur (his talking points are very often identical with those of neocons and Pentagon crooks).
I would never say that he is "cleverly disguised" or that he is "a political philosopher"... He is a moron. You can easily see him through.
So you see what kind of a moron you are? You don't really understand anything, do you?
2.Tarpley supported Clinton over Obama explicitly and implicitly.
3.The Clintons are a part of CIA mafia. They have been involved in drug money laundering (if not directly in drug dealing). That's how they achieved their careers. That's how the oligarchy system works.
They both have their Jewish (MoSSad) Lewinsky. Both female of course.
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by Throw_Off_The_Killer on 20.05.2008 [23:01 ]
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You didn't answer my question regarding Tarpley's work for the Itailian government.
Tarpley realizes that a US president has little real power and doesn't "support" anybody.
When you say the "oligarchy system" you are parroting Tarpley.
Yes, yes, yes. A "sneaky Jew". Please return to your Turner Diaries study. RAHOWA!! RAHOWA!!
Carry on Mr. Dur-dee-dur.
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by ILYANA_ROZUMOVA on 20.05.2008 [23:58 ]
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I do not feel that I am "grown up enough" to enter your adult argument.
I only want to ask only if you coud explane to me what CIA mafia is.
And if Obama becomes president will he cancel CIA?
Or he himself will enter CIA mafia?
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by poiuytr on 21.05.2008 [02:25 ]
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Unable to speak to the matter at hand, you little bimbo. Yes, that's quite common for the US excremental disease and the US spawn of rancid ugly whores.
Yes, I'm saying your mumsy's an ugly whore bitch.
And it's shit like you that makes the dollar death so pretty and truly perhaps the most awesomest event ever in history of this planet. No other lifeform on this earth deserve to drink deeply of the US cesspit as your species is dispatched into oblivion. Of course that includes your whore mother, if the wart cunt's still alive.
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by Nopes on 21.05.2008 [02:44 ]
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"what CIA mafia is"
Look in your country and check what GRU/FSB mafia is. Who's dealing drugs? Who is ruling economy, media and politics. Why former KGB agent becomes president. For instance: who Abramovitch is (he still is an agent working for Russian secret services). State's wealth was taken over by GRU/KGB fronts called oligarchs or billioners.
So if you know what oligarchic society is you can understand what's happening in US, Britain and their protectorates like occupied Germany, Italy, Japan (the same happens in former Soviet protectorates).
"And if Obama becomes president will he cancel CIA? "
Why would he do that? They would kill him like Kennedy.
"Or he himself will enter CIA mafia?"
He already is a part of establishment. His Rezko connections point to that.
That's how they fish for new people. Rezko guys help new people and indebt them. But I don't believe that Obama really is involved in that. It's the early stage, so he may be rather clean.
Obama won't destroy the system. He may change it a little. He may stop the wars, bring Bushists to court, etc... That wouldn't be bad, would it?
If you prefer McCain... His presidency is the quickest way to finish US empire off and that would be bloody.
Clinton would be another Bush/McCain but a lot dumber and much more pro Israel. She is in bed with Jewish billioners (one of them tried to bribe superdelegates). She is supported not so secretly (if you have a brain you see that) by such freaks like Rove, Limbaugh, Coulter, O'Reilly, Gingrich. It should say a lot to someone who knows anything.
She wasn't even so secretive about her crazy plans (obliterate Iran).
So if someone fights Obama so eagerly as Tarpley does... it tells me a lot about him.
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by Nopes on 21.05.2008 [03:03 ]
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Agents provocateurs don't have to be literally on the payroll of some SS.
Many are used as useful idiots. They are fed some crazy stories from some "secret sources" and they believe everything.
It's easy to send some "former intelligence agent" who supposedly "hates the government" and tries "to do something". He can tell juicy stories, reveal some true secrets and the useful idiot takes the bait.
Later they feed him propaganda and he repeats what they want.
There's a lot of useful idiots in alternative circles.
Illuminati, UFO, al Qaeda and all that crap.
Misdirection is the main goal.
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by IvanGrozny on 27.05.2008 [20:42 ]
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80%!!!
The Russian Military receives crumbs! The United Arab Emirates have more BMP-3 vehicles than Russia. The situation is entirely unacceptable.
Russia's useful exports like Electric Trains, Buses, Trucks, Massive Cargo Planes ARE NOT BEING EXPORTED! The situation should be complete reverse.
When the Saudis receive their T-90's, BMP-3 IFV's, and BUK-M1 missiles the first thing they will do is SHIP THEM TO THE US, UK, AND ISRAEL!
Not to be reverse engineered as some above suggested, NO, they will simply be TAKEN APART AND FIRED AT TO FIND WEAKNESSES. Once those are found the Current Generation of Russian Arms becomes WORTHLESS SCRAP METAL that will only be disabled or taken out immediately if a War were to start against Russia.
Russian Peacekeepers in Kosovo were complaining that NATO could shut down their communications system with remote signals!
The Western Military Forces are not all idiots. The smart ones will fool Russia into revealing its secrets.
Saudi Arabia is entirely UNACCEPTABLE as a buyer of Russian Arms. Why did they cancel Russia's recent tender for building Railroads in favor of Western competitors but did not cancel this? Because there is more going on than is being revealed.
The US would love to get its hands on dozens of Modern Russian Weapons to dismantle and disable. Iraqi 1970's period Soviet export equipment can not help the US develop ways to defeat Russia.
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by IvanGrozny on 27.05.2008 [20:51 ]
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"As for your "shooting war", the NATO Pact stormtroopers could have tried a land invasion and everyone was expecting them to but they backed off at the last moment and signed an armistice with Serbia (UNSCR 1244) which specifically affirms Serbia's full sovereignity over her province. "
YOU WERE FOOLED INTO SURRENDERING! That is what UNSCR 1244 was! It has no meaning today, the US uses the UN as a Geopolitical Weapon. Now Serbia has lost and Serbian leadership is still full of traitors.
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